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Hey fellas, I need some advice from you experts...

I have a 1964 john Deere 110 with a bad kohler k181, so I ran across a good deal on a kohler k241a but it's off a 1972 cub cadet 108.

You think it'll work? I do know in later years JD went to the k241 but when I sat this engine down into the tractor its a lot bigger and looks like I'll have to do a lot of jigging to get it to hook up. Any info or advice is appreciated, I'm a youngster with very limited knowledge.
 
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The K241 is much bigger and will not fit without modifying the frame of the 110. What is the serial number of your 64' 110?

The k181's in the 1964 110's are specific to the year, particularly the block and oil pan.
 
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$$ wise if you want more horse power it would be better to sell the 64' and buy a later square fender 110. Depending on the serial number if might be a faux pas to modify the 64' 110. That is the reason I asked about the serial number.

Plus by upgrading to a later square fender 110 you not only get the extra 2 hp you would also be gaining the 4 speed transaxle and 5 bolt hubs over the 3 speed and 3 bolts hubs of the 64' 110.

Of course realistically you should not "need" more horse power to power any of the attachments available for the round fender machines. :fing32:
 
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To be completely honest... I'm not sure what year it is. I haven't checked the serial number out. I do know it's a round fender 110 with a k181 on it.

I love the way these old tractors look and just wanted to repaint and put a cast iron kohler on it.

Picked up the 241a and thought maybe just maybe I could make it work. To rebuild the k181 would cost a lot more then I want to spend.
 
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Hi Green&Yellow, and welcome....

There's a LOT of work involve in making an engine the size of the K241 fit in the round fender frame. A lot of cutting... The K241 is designed to fit a 12" wide frame, where the round fender only has a 9" wide frame. If you don't want to ever take it back to stock, and you feel comfortable doing that kind of hacking on a frame, it can be done. The hood won't fit any more either, mind you... The ones I've seen there's had to be a fair chunk of hood made gone. I don't know what your skill level is for fabricating, if you're good enough you can fit almost anything into almost anything (like Alberta 7.3s diesel upgrade to his '69 112). I'm not that good... So I concentrated on making the stock engine go. There's lots of parts available for the K181s, so that was what I did...
 
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Either right from Kohler (http://kohlerengineparts.com) or from JDParts... But they're sure not going to be cheap! When I redid mine, the crank, the rod and the .10 over piston came from a gently used machine (thanks MrBeef!), my rings and gasket kit came from eBay for $86 plus some shipping... That's one route to go to find used stuff. The big question is, tho, how worried are you about the quality of the parts you put in versus the price you are willing to pay versus how much wear and tear you're planning on putting on the machine? I went cheaper on the rings and things since I knew my 110 wasn't going to be a daily driver... What's wrong with your K181 anyway? Threw a rod?
 
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Well the first thing I would do is pull the engine out of the 110 and tear it down and decide what needs to be replaced. Does it have a busted rod?

Several advertisers sell OEM Kohler parts if that is what you are looking for.

Hope that helps some. Deere also sell a good number of parts like gaskets etc.
 
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mrbeef said:
Well the first thing I would do is pull the engine out of the 110 and tear it down and decide what needs to be replaced.
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Definitely! That's a really good first step to take... When you want a hand, G&Y, with how getting that engine out goes, just give us a holler! Oh, and take pictures, we LOVE pictures! :thThumbsU
 
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Well, THERE'S your problem! You've got the ground clearance on that engine set too low! :sidelaugh:sidelaugh:sidelaugh

(Sorry, couldn't help myself!)

Yeah, I have to admit, my first engine rebuild was the Tec 10HP on Bror (my grandfather's 112) and I stepped into that with a LOT more skills at taking apart than at putting back together! So I know how you feel...

Some important ground rules, take pictures of EVERYTHING before you pull it apart! I can pretty much guarantee you that you're gonna be scratching your head about how the throttle linkage goes back onto that Kohler! Don't ask me how I know! :sidelaugh

Also, ziplock sandwich bags and a Sharpie marker are your BEST FRIENDS! They're cheap, they are easy to use to label collections of parts, and without them, you're screwed when you go to put it all back together... Especially if you wind up getting a parts engine or two...
 
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That sure doesn't look like a 64 transaxle.
 
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Looks like 5 lug one?
 
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65 I think
 
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biker3777 said:
65 I think
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Yep,

The 63' had a 7 hp Kohler K161 with a 3 bolt hub 3 speed transaxle
The 64' had an 8 hp Kohler K181 with a 3 bolt hub 3 speed transaxle
The 65'-67' had an 8 hp Kohler K181 with a 5 bolt hub 4 speed transaxle

You can differentiate the 65' 66' and 67's through minor differences. The 67's will have the foot rests welded on.... the 65' should have a plain flywheel cover while most 66's and all 67's will have a styled cover with three lines.

Based on the picture yours is a 65'-67' 110. I cannot see the foot rests well enough to see if they are welded to the frame or not.
 
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