[lotsofspareparts]

I hate to say it but it sounds like it has a dead hole and a loose rod.

I listened to the video 3 times and at the point when you increase the throttle it is apparent that it is not firing on one cylinder and the rattle gets more pronounced.

But...…. that is the conclusion I would come to if I was listening to a 3 cylinder gas engine. I just got my first diesel GT so am not incredibly familiar with them yet. Although I can say like others have said, my engine has zero noticeable engine movement when it is throttled up (3 cyl Kubota), your engine is bouncing even after the throttle was increased.

Best of luck, but it don't look so good.

On a side note, do any of the oil pan bolts have any apparent tool marks on them? Makes me wonder if the PO applied a band aid of some sort, you didn't mention if it was a haggle getting him to drop his price $700.

Jared

 

[Agk007]

I hate to say it but it sounds like it has a dead hole and a loose rod.

I listened to the video 3 times and at the point when you increase the throttle it is apparent that it is not firing on one cylinder and the rattle gets more pronounced.

But...…. that is the conclusion I would come to if I was listening to a 3 cylinder gas engine. I just got my first diesel GT so am not incredibly familiar with them yet. Although I can say like others have said, my engine has zero noticeable engine movement when it is throttled up (3 cyl Kubota), your engine is bouncing even after the throttle was increased.

Best of luck, but it don't look so good.

On a side note, do any of the oil pan bolts have any apparent tool marks on them? Makes me wonder if the PO applied a band aid of some sort, you didn't mention if it was a haggle getting him to drop his price $700.

Jared

It actually ran pretty darn smooth before all the noise and shaking happened. it all happened so suddenly.

I don't see any recent noticeable marks where a wrench or socket was used. I still feel like it was band aided because i reached out to the seller on facebook and he ignored me since facebook messenger has the nice feature that shows if they read the message. He saw the message and didn't respond. When i was making the deal they were reluctant to go down that low, but it could have been a show. It had some electrical issues but nothing major wrong so i used that as a reason to discount to $2,000. It could just be really bad luck, the guy i bought it from was an older farmer but his son was the one who posted it and dealt with all of it. i still feel he should have responded. Anyways with a little luck, the guy a few posts ago has a X495 the same year as mine he is selling a good running motor out of, i'll see if i can buy it up if its a reasonable price, then i may take my old yanmar apart and see what went wrong and keep it for parts/rebuild in the future.

 

[lotsofspareparts]

I would, as well as others, like to know what you find.

And this is just me but if you do wind up with a replacement engine, tear this one down bit by bit while it is still installed. On the off chance it turns out to be something arbitrary, like an injector issue. As stated before though, I am aware of how a diesel runs, but not familiar with the pump/injector workings.

Good luck!!

Jared

 

[Knoxville36]

I have no clue, but are these yanmar's internally or externally balanced? I assume internally?

 

[burned300]

I’ve had big diesels blow the tip off injectors before.




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[Mcgee10]

Sorry guy. But for me from the beginning of this tale. The price you paid for it was my first thought something must be wrong with it and for the seller to go from already the very low price of $2700 to just $2000 for a tractor in good working condition would be worth around $4500. Too good to be true sounds right here. You got what you paid for. With some luck it might work out for you I hope it does.
Maybe you can get this fixed and still end up with a nice tractor.

 

[Agk007]

Sorry guy. But for me from the beginning of this tale. The price you paid for it was my first thought something must be wrong with it and for the seller to go from already the very low price of $2700 to just $2000 for a tractor in good working condition would be worth around $4500. Too good to be true sounds right here. You got what you paid for. With some luck it might work out for you I hope it does.
Maybe you can get this fixed and still end up with a nice tractor.

Well, i've seen a few X495's sell for close to that price from used tractor dealers and still in good working order. Everything on mine is in good shape for it being 16 years old minus the engine now. And they were reluctant to go down to $2,000 as i stated earlier, there were a few minor electrical issues that i used to talk them down. So to say it sounded too good to be true is not accurate, at least for me it wasn't.

I found a few others for around the same price in good working condition. I always look around to check prices out. I didn't go into the deal expecting the tractor to be brand new with low hours, i knew there would be some issues, just not major engine problems. I just have an issue with someone not disclosing the problem to me and covering it up. i mean the guy is a farmer i figured i could trust him. They seemed like nice people.

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/for-sale/27262221/john-deere-x495

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/for-sale/26643991/2002-john-deere-x495

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/for-sale/27254619/2003-john-deere-x495

 

[Mcgee10]

Well, i've seen a few X495's sell for close to that price from used tractor dealers and still in good working order. Everything on mine is in good shape for it being 16 years old minus the engine now. And they were reluctant to go down to $2,000 as i stated earlier, there were a few minor electrical issues that i used to talk them down. So to say it sounded too good to be true is not accurate, at least for me it wasn't.

I found a few others for around the same price in good working condition. I always look around to check prices out. I didn't go into the deal expecting the tractor to be brand new with low hours, i knew there would be some issues, just not major engine problems. I just have an issue with someone not disclosing the problem to me and covering it up. i mean the guy is a farmer i figured i could trust him. They seemed like nice people.

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/for-sale/27262221/john-deere-x495

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/for-sale/26643991/2002-john-deere-x495

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/for-sale/27254619/2003-john-deere-x495

I see we have talked about this before on here different parts of the country different prices. Here a 2002 x495 regardless of hours is in the $4000 area. I see there they loose their value a little quicker or there are just plain more of them. Still I hope everything works out for you. I just sold my GX345 for $3100 a month ago.

 

[Agk007]

Well, i've seen a few X495's sell for close to that price from used tractor dealers and still in good working order. Everything on mine is in good shape for it being 16 years old minus the engine now. And they were reluctant to go down to $2,000 as i stated earlier, there were a few minor electrical issues that i used to talk them down. So to say it sounded too good to be true is not accurate, at least for me it wasn't.

I found a few others for around the same price in good working condition. I always look around to check prices out. I didn't go into the deal expecting the tractor to be brand new with low hours, i knew there would be some issues, just not major engine problems. I just have an issue with someone not disclosing the problem to me and covering it up. i mean the guy is a farmer i figured i could trust him. They seemed like nice people.

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/for-sale/27262221/john-deere-x495

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/for-sale/26643991/2002-john-deere-x495

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/for-sale/27254619/2003-john-deere-x495

I see we have talked about this before on here different parts of the country different prices. Here a 2002 x495 regardless of hours is in the $4000 area. I see there they loose their value a little quicker or there are just plain more of them. Still I hope everything works out for you. I just sold my GX345 for $3100 a month ago.

Thank you sir I hope it does work out.

 

[burned300]

I like the hours on the Lancaster Ohio x495, the one in Minnesota is impressive that it has 3300 hours.

Back in the day with diesel injection pumps, like these Yanmars, if we had an engine miss and needed to narrow down which cylinder it is, with the engine running you could loosen one injection line at a time for that cylinder couldn’t fire, if the engine still ran the same with one loose you knew the guilty cylinder was found. If engine ran worse that was a good cylinder. It can be a little messy, you don’t take any lines off, just one turn was enough to keep from firing cylinder.


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[My craftsman 917.27308]

God, I feel for you. I hate hearing about this. Do you still have a copy of the online ad? Did it mention anything about the condition of the tractor like "good shape" "runs good". If it did, you may be able get your money back on grounds for cyber fraud. If the ad didn't mention the condition of the tractor, do you remember your conversation with the seller? Like how's it runs ? What repairs have you made in the past? You may be able take him to small claims for the total cost of what you paid for the tractor or the cost to get it fixed. If you can sweat him, he may settle outside of court.

 

[Agk007]

God, I feel for you. I hate hearing about this. Do you still have a copy of the online ad? Did it mention anything about the condition of the tractor like "good shape" "runs good". If it did, you may be able get your money back on grounds for cyber fraud. If the ad didn't mention the condition of the tractor, do you remember your conversation with the seller? Like how's it runs ? What repairs have you made in the past? You may be able take him to small claims for the total cost of what you paid for the tractor or the cost to get it fixed. If you can sweat him, he may settle outside of court.

The online ad is gone now, but i do have facebook conversation of him telling me it runs and mows well and that he hasn't had any issues. i attached a picture of it. That's a bout all i have.

 

[My craftsman 917.27308]

The online ad is gone now, but i do have facebook conversation of him telling me it runs and mows well and that he hasn't had any issues. i attached a picture of it. That's a bout all i have.

Oh, I would definitely seek legal advise if you have documentation of the conversation because that is cyber fraud.

 

[mrbeef]

Any luck working with the engine?

Oh, I would definitely seek legal advise if you have documentation of the conversation because that is cyber fraud.

How do you go about proving that the seller knew about any issues? While I fully agree the OP is getting hosed in this deal I don't see this being anything other than an "educational expense". I've gotten lots of it buying and selling GT's over the past few years. (go back and look at some of my early threads and read through my inexperience and how much it cost me! :ROF but I've gotten enough education on engines, parts, and people that some of the money I lost in my early days of this hobby has been well paid for.)

Personally, $2,000 isn't pocket change, but by the time you retained a lawyer and then sued, and possibly won, the net benefit would be $0. In small claims court the judge will ask what proof the buyer has the seller had knowledge of a preexisting condition on a higher hour used mower.

I sell stuff all the time. I answer questions truthfully and on occasion potential buyers have pointed things out that I had not seen or noticed. Fact is its a used garden tractor not new. It's a really good base and is just going to require a little time, sweat, and money to get it to where it should be. Nothing wrong with that. (I would have paid $1,500-$2,000 for it even if I knew the problems.... just to play around with the engine and see what it needed)

 

[Agk007]

Any luck working with the engine?



How do you go about proving that the seller knew about any issues? While I fully agree the OP is getting hosed in this deal I don't see this being anything other than an "educational expense". I've gotten lots of it buying and selling GT's over the past few years. (go back and look at some of my early threads and read through my inexperience and how much it cost me! :ROF but I've gotten enough education on engines, parts, and people that some of the money I lost in my early days of this hobby has been well paid for.)

Personally, $2,000 isn't pocket change, but by the time you retained a lawyer and then sued, and possibly won, the net benefit would be $0. In small claims court the judge will ask what proof the buyer has the seller had knowledge of a preexisting condition on a higher hour used mower.

I sell stuff all the time. I answer questions truthfully and on occasion potential buyers have pointed things out that I had not seen or noticed. Fact is its a used garden tractor not new. It's a really good base and is just going to require a little time, sweat, and money to get it to where it should be. Nothing wrong with that. (I would have paid $1,500-$2,000 for it even if I knew the problems.... just to play around with the engine and see what it needed)

Well, I'm beginning to wonder if its a fueling issue and not so much a rod issue. I could still be wrong and there's major issues but i drained the oil and didn't see any large metal shaving or anything in the oil, i even ran a magnet through the oil and didn't catch really anything. I put new oil in it and cranked it up again, and it seemed to run somewhat better as it wasn't shaking as before and sounded like it was running on all 3 cylinders. I did notice it had a hard time starting and one cylinder when it was trying to fire it was puffing a bunch of white smoke out of the exhaust. As i revved it up some the shake and noise returned and while it was idling i cracked the injector line on each cylinder and each one made an audible difference on how the engine ran, so it seems all cylinders are getting fuel, but i feel like one may be getting too much fuel like a injector is stuck open. When it starts to shake bad a bunch of white mist comes out of the crankcase vent tube and some out of the exhaust, and i'm wondering if thats just raw unburnt fuel. Also when its running rough when i shut if off from idle the engine stops pretty hard like something is really increasing compression (which could be a bunch of fuel in the cylinder). I've heard of stuck open injectors in a diesel making a horrible knocking sound so maybe thats what it is. I did notice the valves were way too loose, they were all loosened to almost .015" and i re-adjusted all of them to spec according to the service manual. That didn't change how it ran but it did quiet down some valve chatter noise it had. I'm thinking of pulling the injectors and having them tested. I feel one may be sticking open. To me when i cranked it back up cold it should run the same as hot if it was a rod or something going out.

 

[mrbeef]

Well, I'm beginning to wonder if its a fueling issue and not so much a rod issue. I could still be wrong and there's major issues but i drained the oil and didn't see any large metal shaving or anything in the oil, i even ran a magnet through the oil and didn't catch really anything. I put new oil in it and cranked it up again, and it seemed to run somewhat better as it wasn't shaking as before and sounded like it was running on all 3 cylinders. I did notice it had a hard time starting and one cylinder when it was trying to fire it was puffing a bunch of white smoke out of the exhaust. As i revved it up some the shake and noise returned and while it was idling i cracked the injector line on each cylinder and each one made an audible difference on how the engine ran, so it seems all cylinders are getting fuel, but i feel like one may be getting too much fuel like a injector is stuck open. When it starts to shake bad a bunch of white mist comes out of the crankcase vent tube and some out of the exhaust, and i'm wondering if thats just raw unburnt fuel. Also when its running rough when i shut if off from idle the engine stops pretty hard like something is really increasing compression (which could be a bunch of fuel in the cylinder). I've heard of stuck open injectors in a diesel making a horrible knocking sound so maybe thats what it is. I did notice the valves were way too loose, they were all loosened to almost .015" and i re-adjusted all of them to spec according to the service manual. That didn't change how it ran but it did quiet down some valve chatter noise it had. I'm thinking of pulling the injectors and having them tested. I feel one may be sticking open. To me when i cranked it back up cold it should run the same as hot if it was a rod or something going out.

Now that you have changed the oil keep a good track and see if it is "making" oil or if it is burning oil. A few years ago a friend and I had an 855 that the PO let run too long with bad injectors. It was making oil and then once the injectors were fixed it started loosing oil... We ended up needing to replace one piston and re-ring the others. Not a half bad job and it was a nice running machine when we got done. Having the injectors tested and rebuilt would be a good recommendation. That would give you a really good starting point if it is not a rod.

 

[ccsial]

+1 Mr Beef

 

[inspectorudy]

I've had about five diesels and they all had the Yanmar in them. Some were a lot noisier than others but not to a degree that would make you think it was going bad. I would pull the injector out of the cylinder you suspect is not firing and swap it with one of the others. Any three-cylinder engine is carefully balanced because of the inherent out of balance they produce. I had one Yanmar that was hard to start and it puffed out huge volumes of white smoke, which was unburned fuel. I hope it's not anything major but try all of the easy, cheap, stuff first. If one cyl is not firing you would have a ton of smoke and wild vibrations. Agree with Mr beef, no lawyers! A total waste of time and your money.

 

[dave2280]

Do a compression balance test
Yanmars can be rebuilt on the kitchen table
They are a fine engine
Keep it, take it apart and find out what's wrong with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You don't have to buy parts from Deere, cause that engine was used in a lot of different equipment.
Don't do an inframe
To hard to apply the RTV

 

[My craftsman 917.27308]

Any luck working with the engine?



How do you go about proving that the seller knew about any issues? While I fully agree the OP is getting hosed in this deal I don't see this being anything other than an "educational expense". I've gotten lots of it buying and selling GT's over the past few years. (go back and look at some of my early threads and read through my inexperience and how much it cost me! :ROF but I've gotten enough education on engines, parts, and people that some of the money I lost in my early days of this hobby has been well paid for.)

Personally, $2,000 isn't pocket change, but by the time you retained a lawyer and then sued, and possibly won, the net benefit would be $0. In small claims court the judge will ask what proof the buyer has the seller had knowledge of a preexisting condition on a higher hour used mower.

I sell stuff all the time. I answer questions truthfully and on occasion potential buyers have pointed things out that I had not seen or noticed. Fact is its a used garden tractor not new. It's a really good base and is just going to require a little time, sweat, and money to get it to where it should be. Nothing wrong with that. (I would have paid $1,500-$2,000 for it even if I knew the problems.... just to play around with the engine and see what it needed)

Small claims court cost nothing. What do you have to lose. In facebook conversation, the seller says it runs good and hasn't had any problems. Sounds like he lied to the buyer. I would let a judge decide. Meanwhile the seller is sweating bullets before the court date and may settle outside of court. You don't use a lawyer in small claims court. It's your word against his. A copy of the facebook conversation and any copy of the fake ad is evidence.