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#1 ·
So, someone just told me that the biggest factor in having a good experience mowing on a slope is a locking rear differential. Of course, this somebody was a salesman trying to sell me a certain tractor, this one: http://www.husqvarna.com/us/homeowner/products/garden-tractors/yth24v42ls/ (and I do like some things about this model for the price).

Question 1: is his statement true or false?

Question 2: if true, which currently offered craftsman models have this feature? Or those from last couple years regularly at Sears Outlet? As they are mostly made by husqvarna I assume some might have a similar build to the link above. This feature does not seem to be commonly on the spec list, which seems odd to me if it is so important for some buyers.

Thanks in advance for your expertise (in the face of my great ignorance!)

I found some old threads on this question but nothing about recent models.

Peter
 
#2 ·
Welcome Peter!

To my knowledge, the only Craftsman model with a locking differential is the PGT9500 which is a rebadged Simplicity Prestige.

As far as traction (and safety) on slopes, a more aggressive tire such as a Carlisle All-Trail/FieldTrax, filled with fluid will help a non-locking rear end significantly.

Tire chains on your turfs will help too.
 
#3 ·
Locking differential only makes up for poor tire tread.... Turf tires are junk unless you can find an aggressive set of turfs... My diff is not locking and I make it up dang near every hill around unless it's a couple degrees short of a cliff. I'm running ag tires with two sets of 33-35lb wheel weights.



Even with a locking diff.... with stock turfs that they sell now... you wont be able to do half of what I can do with a non locking diff, ags, and weights...
 
#4 ·
locking diff is highly overrated IMO, because the tractors they put them in (as far as box store tractors go) rarely are worked hard enough to really justify one. get some nice tires like d-dogg said, load them, and you should be all set.
 
#6 ·
For a lawn/garden tractor, IMHO, it's not needed. Tires make the difference. I just put some loaded AG tires on my GT and it'll go up any slope I want it to. Crossing slopes I'm not quite so happy, the loaded AGs want to walk down the hill to a degree, something like the Carlisle FieldTrax would have been a better choice for that, but the AGs will work fine for my purposes.
 
#8 ·
I called a few places that fix agricultural equipment until I found one that sold Rim Guard. If you don’t already know what it is, it’s a safe liquid that won’t freeze. If I’m not mistaken, you can drink the junk, and it won’t harm you. At any rate, it weighs nearly 11 lbs per gallon. I put nearly 7 gallons in each tire. On the scale, the tire, wheel, and rim guard tip the scales at 105 lbs. I have Goodyear 4 play 23 x 10.5 x 12 tires lug and bar agricultural tires. I got them for free. If I’ve measured them right, they’re 22.7 inches tall and about 9.5 inches wide at the sidewalls, so it’s slightly smaller than advertised, but bigger than the 23 x 10.5 x 12 turf tire it replaced. It’s costly to have the shop put the Rim Guard in the tires. I think it was 3 dollars a gallon x 14, and more than that to pump it in the tire. All told, I think it cost me 75 – 85 dollars. My dad told me that they'd laugh at me for taking in garden tractor tires, but the guy that was putting it in for me instantly asked me if I garden with the tractor. When I said yes, he told me, "Well, this will help your tractor immensly." He understood why I wanted it.

I mow one acre. It varies from 15 degree slopes that require me to make 270 degree turns, which changes from cutting sideways on the slope going downhill to reversing the direction 270 degrees and cutting uphill. With turf savers and no ballast in the tires, the tractor always spun the tires. I’m 6’3” tall and I weigh 240lbs with clothing and boots. I would sit on the fender and lean way off the tractor to try to shift as much weight as possible to the tire that needed the traction before it began to spin, and while this helped, it still broke traction and spun. With the ballast in the agricultural tires, I never break traction. When I do break traction pulling something heavy like a trying to skid a huge log that’s 20 feet or more long, both tires seem to always spin. I know for a fact that my tractor has an open differential.

I’ve fabricated brackets that bolt to the rim. The bracket has a 2” solid steel shaft, which permits me to put Olympic weights on the wheels. I can put up to 275lbs on each wheel, so with the ballasted tires, I have nearly 350lbs of weight on each tire in addition to whatever the tractor normally has. With that much weight, the tractor’s grossly over ballasted, and it will pull ridiculous loads around. I already had the weights, so the price of fabricating the brackets was about 50 dollars. I already have a welder.

Since you didn’t mention anything other than cutting grass, you probably don’t need to worry about putting weights on the tractor. If you’re not interested in purchasing a set of agricultural tires and ballasting them, you may look into the 55lb vinyl covered weights. It will help you immensely over your current set up.

Agricultural tires versus turf tires. We have a 1989 GT 18 Craftsman garden tractor 18 hp and a 3 speed high and low range transmission that many just call a 6 speed. The GT18 had the agricultural tires and ballast in them. The other tractor is a 2011 GT6000 with turf tires. The agricultural tires only leave tread prints in the yard when the grounds soft and wet. Here in Central Pennsylvania, 25 miles northeast of Harrisburg, that only happens in April and May. By June, the ground’s hard enough that no tracks are left. It never spins its tires, so it never tears up the yard. The GT6000 with turf savers and no ballast always tears up the yard when cutting on the hills and making turns. It breaks traction a lot and any tire that spins is going to tear the yard up.

Since ballasting the old tractor and switching to turf tires, it’s like a completely different tractor. I’m not easily impressed and this set up really left an impression on me. The tractor’s now useful and can actually do some work. Without this, it was a useless piece of equipment that could barely cut the grass just like the 2011 GT6000. I’ve gone out on romps with 8 inches of fresh snow, stopped on a hill, turned the wheel, and when I popped the clutch, the tractor instantly moved and there was very little wheel slippage. With turf tires and no ballast, 1 inch of snow was too much for the tractor. One thing that I didn’t expect when ballasting the tires was that the tractor rides a bit nicer now. I guess the added weight absorbs or prevents the bouncing around. It really does ride nicer. It doesn’t jar me around like it used to.

Like others have pointed out, locking differentials on a garden tractor is pretty much overrated. Proper agriculture tread and ballasted tires will do more to improve a small garden tractor’s ability to work than a locking differential will. Garden tractors have more weight on the front of the tractor than the rear. Ideal extreme ballasting of a 2 wheel drive tractor should have a 75% rear and 25% front weight distribution, but in stock condition, it’s probably the opposite, and that’s why people think that they’re so useless.

I know that I’m verbose, but I hope that this helped you.
 
#9 ·
If you don't want to, or can't do all the ballasting or adding weight, the locking diff is definately helpful. I can't do all that to the riding mowers at work, but the locking diff in the YTH24V48LS works well enough on the slopes and sometimes wet grass that all that isn't really needed. We can't change tires either, we get stuck with whatever the fleet garage puts on.
If your conditions are not extreme, it will work just fine.
 
#10 ·
Working on a hillside locking differential is great to have because most of the weight is on the lower side of course and without being able to lock the rear the upper wheel just spins.I use it all the time on the tractors I own both big and small that have it.It also makes the tractor go straight which is particularly handy on tractros that don't have separate brake pedals for each rear wheel.
 
#13 ·
Interesting thread! My only experience with locking differentials is on farm tractors. In that application, it's to get you through a "slick patch" without having to raise an implement or "rut" the ground. In any event, it's only a short term or short distance application, e.g. You wouldn't lock the rear end and mow your two acre lawn. Also, if the diff is locked, you'll have trouble steering.

I've had Ag tires loaded with WWF on my GT5000 for years and mows and handles great. Also have a 2014 "Garden Riding Mower" (Sears new nomenclature?), 26HP, Hydro, 54" deck with wheel weights and turf tires. The 2014 does OK on hills, but the GT with Ag tires is better. I mow four acres and it's very hilly, both sidehill and up and down.

IMHO, Ag or an aggressive tread rear tires loaded or with wheel weights would handle any mowing or towing you're likely to encounter. Actually, in winter I put the wheel weights on the GT along with chains for pushing snow.

There was mention of chains and mowing, that thought kind of scares me. Occasionally, I've noticed that chains can loosen and disconnect and if one of them goes under your deck, it wouldn't be pretty and would be expensive. JMHO.

Good luck,

Ev
 
#14 ·
I tried plowing last night for the first time with my 1967 Suburban 12 and though I know I need chains for that activity and didn't have them, I kept spinning one wheel and was thinking how much better it would be if I could lock the diff and get both of those wheels helping me back up hill. My old Ariens 924033 has a lockable/unlockable diff which makes a big difference when locked.
 
#15 ·
I know this thread is old but does anyone know if any new 2023 riding mowers or garden tractors have the locking rear differential other than the biggest Husquvarna? I would really like to know about the new Craftsman T3200. Some reviews mention a “tuff torque” rear end on the T3200 but the specs don’t and I don’t know what that is. Thanks for any input.