I have the X590 and I really prefer it over the X584 due to the fact I have very few tight areas. I did test drive both the X590 and the X584 when I was buying and I was impressed by the steering on how tight a turn that the X584. I still went with the X590. Both are excellent machines and both will do what you want but the X590 for me works better. I also noted that with the differential lock on X590 makes this almost a mountain goat on the sharp rise I have at my on my septic mound.

My younger brother went to buy a X590 and ended up buying a John Deere Z-trac zero turn Z535 with a 54" deck but he also does not have a hill to deal with like you and so for his 4 acres of land the Z-trac works great for him. On hills any moisture on the hill is not a fun ride on a zero turn.

Fuel economy is something I noticed has gotten better since I bought my X590 now that am close to 50 hours and the machine hauls the bacon on the wide open areas. I can run wide open throttle and the deck engaged and my foot planted on the hydrostatic pedal to the floor and it mows excellent. I never had a garden tractor, lawn tractor or any other machine do this with over 4" of grass and cutting to 2 and quarter inches and it cuts the grass. The new Accel Deep Deck actually preformed as advertised. You can go as fast as you want and it will still process the grass. Straight line mowing with the X590 is excellent and with the power steering I am now spoiled and will never go back to a tractor without it. The hydraulic lift of the deck is also I thought was kind of a iffy until having used it on my bigger 2305 and really got to the point I really like having it. Just a slight pull or push and up and down goes the deck. The larger rear tires on the X590 really spreads the weight out on the X590 on my yard and does not show any rutting has my prior lawn tractors that I have had.

So for my place the X590 is a really good choice but for your place your gonna have to decide what actually works for you.

 

Just placed an order for an X584. Lots of trees and fence lines, hills too. I drove the all-wheel steer and I was sold. I asked about the rear wheels as well and was told due to the 4-wheel steering wide tires won't fit on it. I'll see how it handles my hills in about 2 weeks. My best fit would have been the X739 (all-wheel steer, four-wheel drive) but the investment was just too much.

 

I don’t think you can go wrong with either choice. The advantage of the 584 is how extremely maneuverable it is. If that is the top priority then you should go with 584. As for me the X590 was the choice, I liked the looks and performance of the rear HDAPS, and the biggest factor in the 590 favor is the EFI engine and the constant speed governor. The engine has more HP than the 584’s and is much more fuel efficient.( my 25.5 HP efi engine actually uses less fuel than wife’s X310 and the 18.5 HP carbureted engine) Not only does it not bog down in grass, where the Efi engine really shines is in snow blowing, the engine wont bog down. If you snow blow with a LA130- I’m sure you are familiar with snow blowing a large amount of snow and engine starts to bog down and you are forced to slow tractor down. I’ve been able to blow thru 24 inches plus of snow without any hesitation at all from the 25.5hp engine the combination of the 47 inch blower and 25.5 HP Efi engine will work outstanding on your long driveway - so the 590 will outperform the 584 in snow blowing chores. How close to flower beds did you get with LA130? The X590 is fairly nimble and with power steering ( which BTW you will love) I can get in close to wife's flower beds

 

I upgraded from an LA140 to an X394 for the 4WS, and I found that power steering was a fantastic thing as well.

The LA140 is fairly nimble, but the X394 will turn around in a smaller area. That's great for going around trees and spots in the yard where the mowing pattern requires tight turns. I also do a little less trimming with the push mower in the tight corners. I don't have any hills or embankments, so I haven't paid that much attention to the exact track the rear wheels follow when making a turn. That said, I don't believe the rear wheels kick out much farther (if any) than the path the front wheels just took. It turns on a dime, and it's almost as good as a zero turn. The only drawback I've found is that I need to slow down on tighter turns to avoid leaving bigger tracks in the grass. I'm not sure if that's due to the 4WS or the fact that that X394 is a little heavier than the LA140; I have a feeling it's some of both.

I have no trouble driving the X394 in straight lines. As easy as it is to turn, it's not so loose that you're fighting to keep going straight. I had no idea how much effort I was putting into steering the LA140 until I got a tractor with power steering. Oh wow, what a difference! I can literally turn the X394 with one finger. With 1.4 acres and a lot of turns, you'll be pleased with how much easier it is to do that job with power steering.

As mentioned above, the new deck really does cut well at full speed. I think my LA140 cuts very well. The X394 goes faster and still does a fantastic job of cutting.

I haven't really analyzed it to be sure, but I think the X394 is using more gas than the LA140. That's offset by the fact that the gas tank is bigger, so I don't find myself putting gas in more often necessarily.

You've got a tough decision there, as I could see the EFI in the X590 being a big plus in the winter. Unfortunately, you'd have to move all the way up to at least an X734 to get both 4WS and EFI. I don't use my tractors for snow chores, so I don't have any direct experience to share.

A tiny detail - both the X584 and X590 have the excellent high-back seat. I really liked the seat on the LA140 (it's the one with the lumbar adjustments that has a higher back), and I felt that the standard open-back seat on the X300's and some X500's was a downgrade. I put the X584/590 seat on my X394 with the optional armrests and love it. My dealer was kind enough to let me trade the open-back seat for some credit on the better seat.

Both the X584 and X590 are excellent machines.

 

I first had the X360, forerunner to the X390, and was blown away with the turning radius of it.

I was looking for a replacement tractor for my son’s Craftsman DLT2000. He too has steep hills to navigate and a long drive to snowblow. The link below has pictures for your comparison. I too was concerned about the cost which led me to look for a used tractor and found the one I bought. He has NO problems with the hills, slipping, power, changing from deck to blower or back, turning radius around flower beds, or anything else. It’s also easy for his wife or 14 yr old son to handle. The thing that surprised him was how much faster he can do everything. I drove his Craftsman the other day and it travels about half the speed of the X730. I liked his so well, I went looking for something for me and found my X738 (second link) which I thoroughly love. Don’t discount used. I was blessed finding these two machines and my SIL is loving the X360 for snowblowing and mowing. I even considered a Kubota BX1880 or BX2380. The 2380 is an awesome machine if you need a FEL. Biggest thing I found looking for my son was list all the little things and don’t discount their significance. They add up to total satisfaction.

https://www.mytractorforum.com/12-john-deere-forum/1203465-final-tractor-choice-x730.html

https://www.mytractorforum.com/12-john-deere-forum/1217641-christmas-came-early-2014-x738.html

I recently passed up a 2017 X590 w/353 hrs and 54” deck (still in warranty) - $4600; 2007 X728 54” deck and blade - $5500; 1995 445 w/47” two stag snowblower - $3700. It pays to watch a while if you can. Good luck and be glad with whatever you choose, because it will be a great choice no matter what you choose.

 

I have the X590 and don’t find manoeverabilty to be an issue. My yard is steep (20-30%), and twisty, and it is extremely nimble.

I’m sure the X584 or X590 would suit your needs very well, this is why I chose the X590:

- The HDAP tires grip fantastically on my steep hills
- I want to do some ground engaging work, and more than just mowing
- I can’t reconcile using carbureted engines in 2018, EFI makes much more sense and it sips gas
- The high back seat is a nice to have
- I prefer my machines to be simpler, and 4WS sounds like more to go wrong
- The dealer switched me out for a 48” deck, which fits my gates

Anyhow there are no bad decisions here, for some time I felt like I should have bought an X700, but after a few months I’m certain that for my needs (2.5ac, mowing, aerating, rolling, bucket, blade etc.), the X590 is a much better fit for much less money.

 

- I can’t reconcile using carbureted engines in 2018, EFI makes much more sense and it sips gas

This is big for me. I wouldn't buy a new carb engine when an EFI option is available.

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Another vote for the x590. I prefer the real tractor feel and less moving parts to wear out makes it my choice of the two.

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X590 all the way!

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My two main considerations when deciding upon the X540 and the X534 (4 wheel steering) was maintenance and snowblowing.

1) Maintenance … I wanted to keep it as simple as possible. The X540 had fewer moving parts on the back-end, which for me means less maintenance and less chance of something going wrong.

2) Snowblowing … I have a 300 foot, double wide driveway. I wanted a tractor where I could keep the back tires inline with the front tires most of the time, largely to have predictable traction. With 4 wheel steering, the back tires will dig into 'new snow' too often, therefore impacting traction … or at least that was my theory.

 

2) Snowblowing … I have a 300 foot, double wide driveway. I wanted a tractor where I could keep the back tires inline with the front tires most of the time, largely to have predictable traction. With 4 wheel steering, the back tires will dig into 'new snow' too often, therefore impacting traction … or at least that was my theory.

I'm not sure your theory is correct. Somewhere on here is a video of Stladril using his X300 series four wheel steer tractor for snow blowing. What I saw was the rear wheels following right in the tracks of the front wheels. When I turn with my X748 the rear wheels always get into the snow because the snow blower is exactly the same as the width of the wheels.

 

You may want to read this interesting thread about the x590. Also go to the search button on top right of page and just type x590 or x584 and all the threads come up about the tractors.

https://www.mytractorforum.com/12-john-deere-forum/1295777-im-back-x590.html

 

I agree with ggsteve on this. I've used a 584 and was skeptical that the tires would track properly, ie. in each others tracks. They follow true front and rear so moving through snow, soft soil, mud, etc. won't be an issue.

As for the tractor itself I very recently bought an X580 from a dealer in NH (to save on the MA taxes). There are very few differences, three to be exact, between the X580 and the X590. The FIE, tilt steering wheel, and seat. Add that to the mix if you would like to save some money ($1000), which I promptly spent on attachments. In any case you really can't go wrong with an X580, 584, or 590.

 

Is it this:

 

Is it this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc08HJyX2FY

It is, but I'm confusing Stladril with another member. That member had 4 wheel steer and his rears tracked right behind the fronts, and obviously he could take sharper turns if the snow wasn't too deep.

 

I too disliked running over snow with the 44” blower on my X360. My son has the 47” on his X730, he has very long runs. I thought I would trade him my 54”, but not any longer. I don’t drive over much with it on the X738.

 

My thoughts...

1. Am I correct in looking at something in the 500 series over any other series based on my needs and property size/type?

I would say yes to this one. You haven’t mentioned anything that a 584/590 can’t do and there plenty of things that they can do over and above what you have listed. Also, as you’ve researched, both have fully serviceable transaxle, both can tackle the hills you have and have many options above an x300. Also as you mentioned, the price jump to an x700 is not small and IMHO not necessary.

2. Can you tell me any information about 4WS, pros and cons over 2WS? Can you do straight lines without looking squirrely? Can you overshoot your mowing area when steering away from a close edge and the rear tires steer outward?

This one I’m in the same situation as I’m still in the ordering phase. However, one thing you did not mention is if anyone else would be driving. I took my wife out the dealership and had her drive the tractor first and she thought it was “fine”. Then I got on and the first time I turned the steering from lock to lock and had a huge grin on my face, she knew... oh yes she knew, and so did I. Also, check out this YouTube, not me but it might answer you questions about 4 wheel steer swinging the back end out into obstacles

I know it is an x300 series and it is not current but with the 54a deck you are considering, I doubt rear end swing would a problem.

3. Can you give me some reasons as to why I should choose one over the other? Or a different series altogether? If 500 series is good, which one of the two would you personally go with?

x590 - EFI engine, HDAP tires, and a few accessories that are not compatible with 4ws.
x584 - carbureted engine, turf tires, and a few accessories that you might not ever need or maybe you could modify to work anyway. Also, a tight turn radius that you will enjoy at every obstacle and a big smile when you don’t have get the trim mower out...

I’m biased as I am ordering an x584 and spending the extra $$$ that i would have spent on an x700 series on attachments. I don’t want HDAP tires and I have raised bed gardens so missing out on the tiller is a nonissue.

jeeter

P.S. Remeber you can switch/return the x584 you bought to get the x590 if the x584 doesn’t fit your needs.

 

Thanks so much everyone for your detailed replies. Lot's of great information has been provided!

So from what I gather from the majority, it seems that EFI is most favorable and therefore the recommendation is to go with the x590 over the x584. I wish I could just go with the x739 which would solve my dilemma on choosing, but I just can't wrap my head around warranting the much higher cost.

One thing I forgot to mention is that I do have a fence in the yard, so the 4WS on the x584 would be really helpful in getting around the corners. On the other hand, the EFI and constant speed governor on the x590 sounds like it would also be a great choice, since when my lawn has been well fed and is thick, my current LA130 will bog-down BIG TIME, especially on the hill. Also, when I have used the snow blower in deep or wet conditions, the LA130 would bog down and I would have to constantly reverse and plow into it in order to chew away at it. But from what I understood from a reply in this thread, bogging down would not be an issue with EFI and the constant speed governor. Then again, it was also mentioned that the cut is so darn good on this machine, even at full speed, so would bogging down even be an issue for the x584? If not, then maybe EFI is not all that important for my situation. If only JD would have just manufactured the x584 with EFI as well, I think this would completely solve my dilemma!

If I did go with the x590, I guess I could still be ok with the 2WS, since the turn radius is no comparison to my LA130 and I would be able to whip it back around much faster than the LA130, but that 4WS on the x584 man, the maneuverability on that sure felt sweet, and the salesman said I had a smile as I test drove that one (which I didn't even realize)! But then EFI, the constant speed governor, having to blow snow up a steep driveway, you can understand why the x590 is also calling my name. Again, an x739 would solve all these problems on making my decision, but the cost though? Sorry to be so indecisive, but I feel like I'm in a tug of war on choosing between the x584 and the x590. I am paying cash for the machine so I really want to make sure that I make the right choice without having any regrets later on.

 

I would say you should go with X584; looks like your heart is set on it. The X584 wont bog down in the grass and while the 590 would be better snow blowing because of EFi, it’s not like its twice as good-- the X584, will still handle the snow blower no problem and be light years better than 130 doing it. If possible make sure you buy the snow blower with the tractor. When you do the blower gets the same 4 year warranty as the tractor

 

Regarding the purchase of the snow blower with the tractor, I did see a post about that in another thread, so I had asked my salesman if the warranty on the blower would match the 4 year warranty on the tractor. He wasn't sure so he asked his boss. His boss said no, it would just be the standard 1 year for the blower. Not sure if each JD dealership has their own policy or if he just didn't know what he was talking about, but I will definitely ask about that again.

 

I think you have the facts there - maybe to go back over three things.

First, sounds like spending $13k is not an option. Great, then put the X740 out your mind. Either the X584 and X590 will make you very happy.

Second, I’d wager that JD have the X500 line-up the way they do for a reason. Sure, they could offer a X594, but why cannibalize X740 sales? Those who will need it will upgrade.

Third, you just need to decide if you value the features of the X584 over the X590. For what you need, a X580 would be plenty, so these are just added benefits. Sounds like you may value the 4WS higher. If so, there’s your answer.


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I have an x534 and had an x530. I love the AWS. It's great for mowing around things. I do have issues getting perfectly straight lines. I've learned to live with it.

One thing to mention. Getting the blower on and off is a bit of a chore. If you're thinking about the x7 series, it's likely easier to change on and off. Also, while the x534 does have a hydraulic lift in the front, the deck has to come off. Think about your use cases. A drive over deck will likely be easier to take off and on.

 

Are the issues you have with getting perfectly straight lines specifically due to the 4WS? If so, this is what I was afraid of, since I theoretically figured if you make even slight adjustments to the front wheels based on your terrain, the rear wheels would then steer in the opposite direction taking the back-end slightly out of alignment with the front-end, causing lines that are not so straight. Is this pretty much the case in your situation? Can other 4WS owners chime in on your experiences with your mow lines as well? If that is pretty much the same experience, then I think I just found my reason to eliminate the x584.

 

I have the mulching kit on the X590. Seems to run great. A few people mentioned Teflon paint.


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Do you have the Accel deck or edge?

 

I think I am now leaning towards the x590. I found another thread with someone who has an x534 https://www.mytractorforum.com/12-john-deere-forum/811666-x534-steering.html and some people say you can't get straight lines, and others say they don't have a problem with it. I know myself... if I can't get straight lines, or have to fuss with calibration once in a while, this will be very frustrating to me. A 2WS on an x500 series or even x700 series will still be far better than my LA130, so the 2WS would still be a major improvement compared to what I am currently used to, especially with the power steering. Therefore I have concluded that I can live without the 4WS, even though it felt pretty amazing to whip around in. But cutting straight lines is extremely important to me, so I think I'm best to stick with a 2WS.

Now I'm curious about the rear tires on the x590. The picture on the JD website shows the rear having HDAP tires, but the one I test drove at my dealership had turf tires on it. I assume that HDAP tires are not standard on the x590 because of this. Can those turf tires be swapped out with HDAP on the same rims, or do you have to change the rims as well?

 

Now I'm curious about the rear tires on the x590. The picture on the JD website shows the rear having HDAP tires, but the one I test drove at my dealership had turf tires on it. I assume that HDAP tires are not standard on the x590 because of this. Can those turf tires be swapped out with HDAP on the same rims, or do you have to change the rims as well?

I believe the HDAP tires are standard on the models with the 54" deck. When I had my x590, it had a 48" deck and I paid to upgrade to the HDAP tires.

 

And one last thing- while the drive over deck is great- it takes me 5 min to take my deck off-- I have the 47 inch blower on dolly--drive tractor up to dolly snap in 47 inch blower, attach belt and its done in 5 min or less- takes me longer to put my snow cab on ( that's about a half hour) than it does to take deck off and put Blower on

 

I think they come with the HDAP tires now. That’s what I found when I was considering one a few weeks ago. I think they will put either on them when you order and without a cost. I think you can mount either on the same rims.

 

I have a 2016 X584 with the 54 inch Accel deck on it and it works very well for my situation. Now, I barely have any straight lines in my yard (lots of trees and serpentine edges), so the AWS is absolutely awesome for what I need.

For the few straight cuts that I do have, I don't find the AWS to be squirrelly at all, and the 54 inch Accel deck cuts evenly and clean with plenty of power.

For my advice, if you had lots of trees and serpentine edges, I'd resoundingly recommend the X584. However, I know that this is not the case for your yard.

So, I'd recommend the X590 for sure. Another advantage of the EFI is that it should make cold starting a lot easier in the winter months when you need to blow snow.

Enjoy the ride!

 

Imo, the efi would come way ahead of aws on the list of wants. Especially going to it from an L series. I really believe your making the right call on the x590

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My understanding is the 2018 X590 only comes with 54” deck and HDAP. Some dealers choose to offer it in 48” and Turf, mine offered a $200 discount for each.

They then end up with spare decks/tires which they put into stock, or they switch out the HDAPs to a X570 and end up with a X590 with Turf.

Anyhow don’t let someone else’s switcheroo cost you the HDAP tires - you will need them for snow and your 20% incline!


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No they come from the factory with either a 48, 54 or no deck. Dealers don't just stock decks and wheels and tires to just pick and choose what they go on.

 

Well, thanks to all of you wonderful people of this forum who definitely helped me BIG TIME in being able to narrow down my decision, I am happy to report that I am now the proud owner of a brand new John Deere x590! :tango_face_grin: Here's what happened....

I went back to the dealer this afternoon and first test drove the x590 again. Then I got to test drive the x738 for the first time. I have to admit, the size of the x738 felt very intimidating, especially when picturing myself using it to primarily cut my mere 1.4 acre lawn. I knew it would be too much tractor, but I had the salesman write up a price for it anyway. It was literally $5,000 more than the x590, and I just couldn't justify that additional cost for primarily lawn mowing. I could definitely see that for snow blowing, this thing would be a MONSTER to cut through it like a hot knife through butter, but again, it's just too much overhead, too many features I would never use, and quite frankly, I was actually disappointed when I took it for a spin because in a way, I really wanted an excuse to splurge for the x738, but I just didn't feel right on it and knew it would be too much tractor for my personal needs. The salesman even told me that based on my property size, something in the x300 series would have been sufficient, but because I am looking to snow blow up my steep driveway with it, that is why he recommended something in the 500 series. He even joked saying believe me, as a salesman I'm supposed to try to sell you the most expensive thing, so trust me when I tell you that the x590 is definitely perfect for what you need it for. By this point I was convinced of this as well, and so I dove in head first and paid cash in full today. I ordered the mulch control kit and he said they are backordered at the moment, but he would give me a call tomorrow to give me a better idea of when it will be delivered to me. Oh, and I did tell him to make a note of swapping those rear turfs with the HDAP's, so they will be doing that at no additional cost since I ordered it with the 54" deck.

I am so glad that I decided to log back into the forum after so many years to seek advice from this great community. It is because of YOU that I own this x590. If I did not come to the forum, I would have ended up with the x584, which I don't think I would have been as happy with, especially when it would come time for snow blowing. So thank you all so much again for taking the time to post your comments, and for putting up with me and not losing patience with my indecisiveness. It's just that after owning a box store LA130 for 11 years, which was my first and only tractor up until this point, I knew that this purchase would end up being my first "real" tractor and I didn't want to end up with buyers remorse. I hope that this thread will help to serve others in their decision making for years to come. Thanks again everyone!!!!

 

I am so glad that I decided to log back into the forum after so many years to seek advice from this great community. It is because of YOU that I own this x590.

It is very easy for us to spend other people's money! :tango_face_smile:

Enjoy your new X590!