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I posted this in the Allis Chalmers forum, but I figured this may be a better place. I am trying to swap an Onan NHM from a generator I have setting around into an Allis Chalmers Big Ten. I have ordered the parts I need to convert to a mechanical governor, and I'm working on mounts for the starter/generator, but I am having problems with an oil pan.

The current oil pan is as wide as the engine, with no good mounting points. I would have to butcher the front end, and it would still hit the steering linkage. I was wondering what oil pan would fit with my current oil pickup? Luckily, the crank height is the same as the Briggs so I just need a pan my pickup will fit in that's not 18 inches wide, and about 3 1/4 inches tall. My pickup part number is 123-1616. I would appreciate any help from someone more knowledgeable about Onan than me.
 
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You will likely need to change the number of balls in the gov, the generator was probably 1800 rpm, and you'll want 3600 for the tractor. (IIRC, 5 for 3600, 10 for 1800, but check this)
Also, what will you do about the crank shaft? The gen likely has a tapered shaft, and you'll need a straight shaft for the tractor. Years ago I turned the shaft from a gen to make an adapter to convert to straight shaft so that could be an option.

Oh, and maybe the carb will need attention, again the 1800 to 3600 thing.
 
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The drive shaft bolts to the flywheel. I already checked the holes, they line up. The engine output shaft is just the front pto, which I wont use. It had an electronic governor. I bought a camshaft with a governor and the linkages I need. Hopefully I can pull the governor stuff off and swap it to the cam that's already in it. I figured the carb was just limited by the little cap that was on the bottom, so I took care of that with a flat head. I wont know what kind of adjustment I have until I get it running, but it's not hard to drill jets. It just takes some time.

On the pan, I thought about making one or modifying the current one, but I have never welded aluminum, or magnesium, or any alloy there of. At the price of aluminum, I wont have much room for error.
 
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They dont support the weight of the engine though. I trust 1/4" thick aluminum more than 18 gauge steel not to flex under the weight of a 60+ lb engine. My thought was to saw the sides off the pan to the width I need, weld on side plates and ears to hold it down, then have the top machined to make the sealing surface flat. I could have a machine shop do it, but then why not just pay $75 for a pan that's made to fit?
 
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So you won't be running a clutch off the output end to drive an attachment? Ok.
You might want to check with one of the guys selling Onan parts, I can see different cams in the 2 different engines.
What year is this motor?
 
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The transmission, deck, and rear pto are driven off the gear box. That's driven by the driveshaft from the flywheel. I have a tiller and cultivator attachment, but nothing driven off the front. The block has a date code 1999 Rev.F. I know some Ck, P, and B series parts will fit. I don't know if they ever used the 60 c.i. engine on anything other than generators.
 
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Yes, the NH series was used on many things, not just the generators.
I also don't think much from the CCK and B/P series will fit, other then very generic stuff, like points, gov balls, etc.

The NH (A,B,C), T260 and P224 are all the same basic engine, ie, the 60 ci, just different vintages.
I don't remember the 60 getting as much design attention as the 43/48 engine.

With this said, I was/am a diesel guy and didn't spend much time on the gas engines.
 
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I don't know if the pan will fit, but if I had to guess, I would think not.

IIRC - there are a couple guys who sell Onan parts, I don't know their names, do a search of this site and you will likely find them.

BTW, they usually called "bases", not pans. The diesel I worked on had "pans", made of sheet steel, the gas engines, to my knowledge, have always used "pans, made of cast alum and they have mounting lugs.