OK, so next spring we are planing to get an above ground pool. Where we are planing on putting it, the yard has a slight slope. Im guessing about 2-3' over the size of the pool. I will be using it with my 8N, and I am thinking eather a box scraper, or a dirt scoop. What do you think? Pros, and cons????
Ingersoll444
Best attachment for leveling yard for a pool?
i would probably dig out the higher side so that at the top the pool is just above the ground level. cheaper to remove dirt you have than it is to add in a bunch you don't! plus if you bring the bottom up a couple feet you may need a retaining wall to keep it from sliding down the hill!
i say the dirt scoop to do the work, then a box blade for final level. btu if you can't swing both attachments, the scoop is the one that will be required.
i say the dirt scoop to do the work, then a box blade for final level. btu if you can't swing both attachments, the scoop is the one that will be required.
Dunno.
My 2 cents -- or in oil prices my $4.95 worth
I have a scoop (that and a shredder is all I have for my 2N) which I love and use to move new dirt around and have used it to dig a little, but I'd go with the box blade if that was the only attachment I could get-- The scarifiers will break up the dirt and the box can move it.. the scraper would be my last option - if the dirt is compacted .
Let's hear from the 'pros'
My 2 cents -- or in oil prices my $4.95 worth
I have a scoop (that and a shredder is all I have for my 2N) which I love and use to move new dirt around and have used it to dig a little, but I'd go with the box blade if that was the only attachment I could get-- The scarifiers will break up the dirt and the box can move it.. the scraper would be my last option - if the dirt is compacted .
Let's hear from the 'pros'
I've only seen a box blade and york rake used on my brothers 3320 and would agree that the box blade is pretty effective at moving material.
MU
MU
You might take a look at a rollover scraper - works similar to a box blade. Back in the 50's, in So. Calif., it was the preferred tool for landscaping around all the new houses. The original was called Earthcavator, made by Gannon. Gannon is now owned by Woods, and they still make them. So does Bush Hog, and Land Pride until this year.
Good luck
Fred
Good luck
Fred
my 2 cents is the box blade we used one everyday for grading and the scoop is good if you want to carry the dirt away off but the box will drag more and faster and plus when you are finish you will it to level the ground off. P.S. Me myself and I wouldn't use the scoop anyways....we have loaders....
i guess i am outnumbered! around here folks use scoops for everything, then finish level with a blade. i have never seen anyone try to dig out the side of a hill with a BB before.
The box blade works, also you may want to do a little cut & fill exercise to get an idea of what the final grade will be.
Shoot elevations in a straight line about centerwise of the proposed pool, 10 or 12 feet above and below the ends of where the pool will be. Graph it out on graph paper (I like the 1/8" squares) and pick the mean elevation, that will be your final grade line, then you should be able to tell how deep the cut will be a the top of the pool and how much fill you will need to get the build up you need at the bottom end of the pool. I have used a water hose to get the level. Fill the hose with water and raise or lower the hose to get the gravity level of the yard, (measure from the ground up level on the high end to the level down hill where the water starts to run out downhill and you can tell how much fall in grade you really have.)
Don't forget to also level from side to side too.
Shoot elevations in a straight line about centerwise of the proposed pool, 10 or 12 feet above and below the ends of where the pool will be. Graph it out on graph paper (I like the 1/8" squares) and pick the mean elevation, that will be your final grade line, then you should be able to tell how deep the cut will be a the top of the pool and how much fill you will need to get the build up you need at the bottom end of the pool. I have used a water hose to get the level. Fill the hose with water and raise or lower the hose to get the gravity level of the yard, (measure from the ground up level on the high end to the level down hill where the water starts to run out downhill and you can tell how much fall in grade you really have.)
Don't forget to also level from side to side too.
Myself, I would rent a small excavator and get it over with quick. If not, a box blade with the scarfires down will break up hard ground better than a scoop.
I think thats the size it is. Its a "Pre swam in" Pool, that a freind of ours has. Perfect shape [other then the liner, that we would never reuse anyways] with a two year old pump/filter, and they just dont want it any more.
And dont dig below the neighboring area too deep or water run off will collect around the base of the pool; possibly wash unwanted debris under it, like pebbles or twigs.
Mine, I used a 10' pressure treated 2x4 (they stay straight) and a laser level. Oh, and a shovel :00000060:
I put a stake in the center and ran the board around in a sweep with the end of the board on the ground, at the stake (like the second hand on a watch). And just worked the high spots to the low spots with the laser level. And I have two layers of tarps under it; mainly because the shells fragments in the sandy soil here feel like they are going to poke a hole in the bottom when they work their way up under it. When I got the pool up, the water line is even all around the top.
If you havent invested much into it and have some $ to spare, check out a saltwater chlorine generator system. Its unreal. How many gallons (or dia and height)?
Mine, I used a 10' pressure treated 2x4 (they stay straight) and a laser level. Oh, and a shovel :00000060:
I put a stake in the center and ran the board around in a sweep with the end of the board on the ground, at the stake (like the second hand on a watch). And just worked the high spots to the low spots with the laser level. And I have two layers of tarps under it; mainly because the shells fragments in the sandy soil here feel like they are going to poke a hole in the bottom when they work their way up under it. When I got the pool up, the water line is even all around the top.
If you havent invested much into it and have some $ to spare, check out a saltwater chlorine generator system. Its unreal. How many gallons (or dia and height)?
Thats a great idea about the tarp!!! I would call my land gravelyloam. Noting big, but a lot of small rocks. SOme tarps, or maybe a few sheats of that thin foam would probably be a good idea
I helped a guy out down the road level a 20x20 area out. He is going to lay down a ton of flag stone. Used the FEL with the toothbar to cut into the side of the hill. Then I used the box blade with the rippers down get it all loose. Back bladed that area with the FEL but the box blade would also work well. For the most part I could have done the whole job with only the BB. It just would have taken longer. You should be fine just take your time. Once the water is in there is no hiding that it's not level.
Will we get pictures of this project? :thThumbsU
Will we get pictures of this project? :thThumbsU
Try this page for Woods: http://www.woodsequipment.com/lands...ent.com/landscapeequipmentdetail.aspx?id=10443&ekmensel=41a6502d_67_359_10443_1
or this one for Bush Hog: http://www.bushhog.com/ProductFamily.aspx?ID=28
Regards
Frerd
or this one for Bush Hog: http://www.bushhog.com/ProductFamily.aspx?ID=28
Regards
Frerd
I just finished installing a 18 foot pool on a sloped section of our yard. I used a 3 pt hitch tiller and then used the FEL to pick up the dirt and move it. Also used the box blade some. The area was rocky so I cut out more than I needed to, and backfilled with a rock free soil. I had to cut about 2 feet on one side and fill about 1 foot on the down side. The down side is flat enough to mow which meant I had to fill a long ways down the hill to get the slope I wanted. ( benched or terraced the original ground in the fill area so the new soil would stick. Then I topped the pool area off with 2" of sand.
I did the excavation and filling last fall/winter, and then this spring I finished the project. One problem I am having though is the sand. The pool is a Intex (sold at Wal Mart) steel legged pool. The legs are squirming their way into the sand. Every time someone makes waves the pool legs squirm a little bit more and some of the legs sink, but not all of them at the same rate. The result is an uneven top rail look to the pool. Next year I am going to remove most of the sand, and use a filter fabric instead of the sand.
I'm in the process of building a deck for the pool. In fact I had better get off the computer and get out there while its cool and before the heat drives me inside and forces me to find something good and cool to drink!
I did the excavation and filling last fall/winter, and then this spring I finished the project. One problem I am having though is the sand. The pool is a Intex (sold at Wal Mart) steel legged pool. The legs are squirming their way into the sand. Every time someone makes waves the pool legs squirm a little bit more and some of the legs sink, but not all of them at the same rate. The result is an uneven top rail look to the pool. Next year I am going to remove most of the sand, and use a filter fabric instead of the sand.
I'm in the process of building a deck for the pool. In fact I had better get off the computer and get out there while its cool and before the heat drives me inside and forces me to find something good and cool to drink!
Forgot to mention. I used a low tech way of checking level of the pool area during construction. I drove a steel pin into the ground 1 foot higher than the pool bottom. Then using a 10 foot long 2x4 with a level mounted on it, I placed one end on the pin and and simply measured the distance to ground along the 2x4. Cheap and easy.
bigd I had that with my legs too but put some 1x8 pressure treated pieces under each leg, they were cut into squares
do you have the rope running around the outside of the legs completely around the pool?
do you have the rope running around the outside of the legs completely around the pool?
When I put a pol in years ago, I cut into a slope and put the fill on the low side. Put a 4x8x16" solid concrete block under each leg. Now after 15 years it is starting to give down on the fill side, so i think I would avoid putting a pool on much fill. the sand is critical and then placing sheet foam on top of the sand is a good idea. Pool installers around haveused it for a long time. Ours has been turned into a gold fish pond as all of the pool cleaners have flown the nest. Pictures to followsoon.
Great idea Edward. I'll try the board idea next.
Yes, the rope goes all the way around. Boy the sun sure does a number on that rope. Its coming apart big time due to deterioration.
Sheet foam? Like that soft white plastic packing protection stuff? Never thought about that. Good idea.
Well the pool is a go. I help take it down in a few weeks. Wanna get the ground all leveled out [at least rough level] before winter. Im thinking I am going with the scoop. I have not had much luck finding a used one, and new is more cash then I want to spend at this time. I have the tiller, and the blades on the Ingersoll's, so that will help me along I guess.
Paul check Targets website over the next week or so; they drop the prices on these pools to clearance prices to get rid of them. I got a $300 pool for 75 at the end of August last year or yr before. I know kamrt and wallymart has them too and they clearance them out as well.
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