45 loader no more?

gsm81 · Apr 15, 2013

I was told by my JD Dealer that the 45 FEL was discontinued on 03-31-13. There were no new or used 45's available at dealerships in the midwest. The Dealer got the factory to make one for me and its got a build date of 04-19-13. Don't know how much longer they'll punch out individual orders, but I'm told that this one was an exception. If you really want one act quickly!

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BrintonJD · Apr 15, 2013

I wish I could place an order for a 45 but at this point I simply cannot afford one. The worst part is I have a list of things I could one with both now, years to come and on an annual basis. If it only wasn’t that friggin expensive. Hopefully when I am financially able (about 3yrs) I will have the help of the Gods finding a nice used one locally. Anyways, this news is really sad.
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Sergeant · Apr 15, 2013

Displaced Hokie said:
We've beat this to death...the X7 Sigs were never designed to accept a loader as JD needed to save weight to meet a ANSI standard (so the mounting provisions were taken out and that weight put elsewhere) and 99% of customers and dealers were going to the 1-series for a loader.

But, someone will make one for it, at least a JB Sr.

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Sorry Hate to tell You But Deere is working on a Loader design for the X700 Signature series as we speak Tentatively it should Be ready By Late 2014 Providing the Bean counters sign off On it. There Looking at a 40 loader sub frame style design It was suppose to be ready by spring 2014:thThumbsU

Sergeant · Apr 15, 2013

VALurker said:
Yes and no. Certainly, some third party company can make a FEL for the new Sig. series (SS) tractor, however, that may void JD's warranty and that company may not care if you break your tractor. I think it is Johnny Products that has a disclaimer that they are not responsible for any damage to your tractor that can result from using their product. So, said third party FEL company, mentioned earlier, could make a a FEL that bolts right up to the existing, unmodified, frame and give you the full capabilities of the 45 Loader of the Ultimate Series (US), but if the frame on the SS is not as hefty as the US tractors (I don't know that this is the case), you run the risk of bending/breaking the frame of your tractor.

Now, looking at it from JD's perspective, if the number of 45 loaders sold was small in comparison to the number of US tractors sold, they may not have the economic incentive to make a loader to fit the new SS tractors. This would especially be true if there were many more 3PH's sold for the Ultimate Series tractors than there were FEL's. JD could reasonably assume that most owners chose the US over SCUTs because they needed a small tractor capable of using 3PH accessories but not FEL capabilities, and from that data they made the SS that can have a 3PH added, but not a FEL. Another issue is that if they did make the SS frames less hefty than the US tractors, then they will have to engineer a workaround to allow them to provide a FEL and still honor the warranty of these tractors. Finally, this could be a way to steer potential owners toward their SCUT's and eliminating the overlap between the HDGT's and the SCUT's.

Of course, I think the jury is still out which way JD is going to go. They could be feverishly working on a FEL for the SS in time for a 2014 release. Some here who have watched JD for much longer than I have, have said that it took JD a year or two to make a FEL for the X7xx series. Unless there's been an official statement from JD, which I don't believe anyone has posted, yet or I missed the thread it was in.

Paul

Here is How Deere Usually treats Things If They Make a Implement they will Usually Not Ok aftermarket Implements. Kwik-way and Johnson In the Past Have Been exceptions In the Loader Dept where they have Ok'd the use of aftermarket Loaders when Deere was Producing there own 44 loader. If Kwik-way were to Produce a aftermarket Loader for the JD X700 signature series Deere will sign off On it Because Kwik-way Is a authorized aftermarket Implement Producer by Deere. CTC Have Never Been a authorized aftermarket Implement Producer By Deere. Hence a CTC Loader could Void the warranty. If CTC does end Up Making a Loader for the X700 signature series easiest way to Get around Voiding the warranty Take the CTC Loader sub frame off If sending You Deere In for service to Your Local Dealer. Now I have seen a CTC Loader Void a warranty and the Only reason was Because It went Into the shop with the Tractor and the Deere territory Rep Just happened to be Visiting that Deere dealer at the time. Mind You the X720 was Only In for yearly service and had No Mechanical Problems. But He Voided the Customers warranty. But He was a so in so That Liked to do that. It really Depends On the Deere territory Rep and Your Local Dealer. The Deere territory REP for My Dealer will Not do that or My Deere dealer that I Deal with does not Care. So that why I say It can Void the warranty Not that it will Void the warranty Because it all Depends On Your Deere dealer and there territory Rep. That X720 was at a Deere dealer where My Brother Runs the service and Parts Dept. and That dealer would Not Have Voided the warranty. It was there So In so Deere territory Rep That Voided it. Now if the Bean Counters don't sine Off On the New Loader Design Deere will Probably Ok Most aftermarket Loader if any are Made for The Current 2013 X700 signature series and Later Models :thThumbsU

Sergeant · Apr 15, 2013

BrintonJD said:
I wish I could place an order for a 45 but at this point I simply cannot afford one. The worst part is I have a list of things I could one with both now, years to come and on an annual basis. If it only wasn’t that friggin expensive. Hopefully when I am financially able (about 3yrs) I will have the help of the Gods finding a nice used one locally. Anyways, this news is really sad.
:crybaby:

Don't worry in the Next Few Years You'll Be able to find Used One's Of even un-sold In Dealer stock or Parts warehouse st6ock one's at least for a Few More Years until stock Id Depleted Plus Deere will continue to Make Parts for them for a few More Years Which Is what the do when the discontinue a Item:thThumbsU

SyNtAxx · Apr 15, 2013

Are we talking the whole tractor warranty voided or just coverage on the frame? Doesn't Moss-Magnuson provide protections against this? How could a loader cause failure of a random part like your fuel injector nozzle?

NIck

Sergeant · Apr 15, 2013

SyNtAxx said:
Are we talking the whole tractor warranty voided or just coverage on the frame? Doesn't Moss-Magnuson provide protections against this? How could a loader cause failure of a random part like your fuel injector nozzle?

NIck

You would think Moss-Magnuson would Protect the consumer But I Guess In that Case it did Not all I Know was from that Period forward That dealer was told Not to Honor any warranty Claims But I bet The engine and Transmission would still be covered By the Separate Manufactures warranties But My Brother Dealer's Just Had the Person Trade there X720 In On a New one for a even trade Because the Guy had Bought so Many Harvesters and Row Crop Tractors they didn't want to a Loose a Customer and when they go to Pick Up the Machine Now they remove the Loader Sub Frame for the Customer and Put It Back on when they deliver it Back to him. Because they still have that so In so for there Territory REP. The dealer still uses the X720 with the Voided warranty around the dealership. Though it’s Out of warranty Now anyways. The Machine was Less than a Year Old when that happend:thThumbsU

fatkidracer · Apr 16, 2013

all that info was great Sergeant, got any idea why they stopped making the 45 loader so fast for the outgoing X's? which is what i have, which people seem to be getting confused with the new X's.

njdeerefan · Apr 17, 2013

SyNtAxx said:
Are we talking the whole tractor warranty voided or just coverage on the frame? Doesn't Moss-Magnuson provide protections against this? How could a loader cause failure of a random part like your fuel injector nozzle?

NIck

Yes 100% Moss-Magnusson DOES protect you in that aspect. All that customer had to do is tell deere that he intended to report them, and they'd had dropped it like a hot potato. For the sake of what it costs them for the warranty it wouldn't be worth the bad press and legal fees. Cars companies have tried this one to death, and it has always proven Iron clad. My grand father was president of a national autobody association, and dealt heavily with this issue includeing testifying before congress, and helping to craft legislation.

Also have you ever taken a look around and noticed how many Deere Ag tractors are sporting Implements from other makers....do you think they are all voiding their warranty:fing32:

Sergeant · Apr 17, 2013

njdeerefan said:
Yes 100% Moss-Magnusson DOES protect you in that aspect. All that customer had to do is tell deere that he intended to report them, and they'd had dropped it like a hot potato. For the sake of what it costs them for the warranty it wouldn't be worth the bad press and legal fees. Cars companies have tried this one to death, and it has always proven Iron clad. My grand father was president of a national autobody association, and dealt heavily with this issue includeing testifying before congress, and helping to craft legislation.

Also have you ever taken a look around and noticed how many Deere Ag tractors are sporting Implements from other makers....do you think they are all voiding their warranty:fing32:

Ag is actually a different Ball Game entirely with Deere as Long as the Implement from a different Manufacture does Not exceed design specs for the Machine That is Operating it Deere doesn't Play there warranty Games But They did Play it with some Backhoes and Loader for Compacts tractors in the Past for example Before Deere Built a Backhoe for the 4100 series and the 2210. There were some Voided warranties On those Machines for aftermarket Backhoes:thThumbsU

Displaced Hokie · Apr 17, 2013

It's not a game if the implement design could damage the machine...like how those will-fit backhoes were breaking 4100 axle housings.

The 45 is not discontinued. It's still a good order code. How long, who knows.

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jpa2002 · Nov 7, 2013

45 loader still available. My dealer just got me one in within 2 weeks. I picked it up last Saturday. We pulled it off the shipping pallets and loaded on the trailer.

Jon

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drano38 · Nov 7, 2013

Sweet! :congrats:

You'll enjoy it.
Make sure you read the install instructions as you go--especially that important part about loosening the 4 loader frame bolts and sliding it forward to fit over your front bumper. Don't ask me why I know . . .

A tough part of installation is getting the hoses hooked up so you can raise up the rear arms off the ground. They're barely long enough when you park the tractor angled in, or along the side. Maybe someone has found a better way.

How bad were your uprights scratched up from riding on the pallet? Mine are pretty bad, and I'll need to repaint them next spring.

Post some pics after install.

jpa2002 · Nov 7, 2013

My dealer knows I am anal, so they made sure all scratches were painted. It looks like like it came off if the showroom floor.

Jon

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fatkidracer · Nov 7, 2013

I never updated this thread. anyway when I called my dealer he could not seem to find me one however he knew of one local that was for sale. long story short I got a basically brand new 45 loader for half off just about and am happy with the deal. sucked having to pay cash money for it instead of the American way of financing but hey that's what overtime is for!

TJR345 · Nov 7, 2013

I hope they do make a loader for the newer X7xx series. The last I talked with my dealer he said the 2013 are not loader compatible. They were discontinuing the 45 loader because sales were less the 2%. He said if you want you can go to the subcompact.I don't have the room for bigger. An X748 with a loader is my max.I'm getting older and want to make things easier.Finding used is next to imposable.Just ask anyone with a X7xx with a loader if the want to sell it.

gsm81 · Nov 8, 2013

I bought a 45 loader last spring and I'd really recommend adding the WR Long Flat Tooth Bar. It adds about 3" of bottom surface to the front of the bucket plus another 5-6" of tooth length that really increases the effective capacity of your bucket for mulch, solid objects or balled-and-burlapped trees and shrubs. It attaches by hooking over the front edge of the bucket and then 2 bolts through the side wall of the bucket. Couldn't be easier to install and remove after the initial drilling of the side of the bucket. The teeth make a huge difference when digging through sod or clay compared to just the front edge of the bucket. Sure made a huge difference in the usefulness of the bucket to me! http://www.wrlonginc.com/FTB.htm

txtommy · Nov 15, 2013

I have been attempting to purchase a 45 Loader for my 2012 X729 but my local dealer swears that it will not mount on my tractor. He claims that the bolt holes are missing on the frame and that JD does not support using the loader on an X729 (or any X700).

I downloaded the manual for the 45 Loader on the JD website and under compatibility it lists only the X400 and X500 series. I know a bunch of you guys have this loader on the X7's. Are any modifications required or does the cross bar just bolt in place? Are there any issues with the 4WD/4WS models?

Diesel Powered · Nov 15, 2013

txtommy said:
I have been attempting to purchase a 45 Loader for my 2012 X729 but my local dealer swears that it will not mount on my tractor. He claims that the bolt holes are missing on the frame and that JD does not support using the loader on an X729 (or any X700).

I downloaded the manual for the 45 Loader on the JD website and under compatibility it lists only the X400 and X500 series. I know a bunch of you guys have this loader on the X7's. Are any modifications required or does the cross bar just bolt in place? Are there any issues with the 4WD/4WS models?

You have to modify a bracket to make it work on a 4ws, but several people on this forum have done it. Just tell your dealer that you're buying it for an x728; if he still tries to hassle you about it, tell him it's for an x585 (so you'll get the correct 4wd/AWD relief valve) or go somewhere else.

tractorboss14 · Nov 15, 2013

Your dealer is probably referring to the newer x700's, which aren't factory loader capable. The older generation x700, x500, x400 do have holes (2012-2002) in the frame for loader and are fully capable of handling the 45 loader.

However, the 45 loader won't bolt directly to the x729 having because it has 4WS (although some members here have put the 45 loader on their AWS machine with slight modification).

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