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i'm trying to build a hobby of fixing and repairing lawn mowers. i've got one im working on now that has a stretched engine stop cable. is there any way to buy a crimp on hook of sorts? i'm thinking i can cut 1/4 of an inch off the cable and crimp something on to act as a hook to connect to the engine stop lever.

what say you?
 
Well if your trying to build a hobby of doing this, then your gonna want to do it right or people will quit coming around.

By the time you get done messing around with doing this, you will have a new cable bought. Hobby or not, your time and parts is still in it.
 
Swaging a new end on a cable can be done. You just need the right tools and ends for your application. Got any good bike shops around? Check with them if they can set you up with a new end.

Marinas and boat shops use a lot of swaged ends, in all sorts of configurations though.

Sometimes though, you just gotta get a new cable.
 
Well if your trying to build a hobby of doing this, then your gonna want to do it right or people will quit coming around.

By the time you get done messing around with doing this, you will have a new cable bought. Hobby or not, your time and parts is still in it.
I have to agree with dj722000. The only stretched cables I ever found were cables that were frayed inside the housing. I've found some cable housings starting to collapse when you have a situation where it is hard to pull the handle down. You'll need to find out what is causing the problem also. If you have a mower where it feels like it could snap the cable everytime you press down on the engine stop lever, it won't sell. To most people, if they feel something is not right, they also wonder what else is wrong and move on.
 
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Thanks for the input. I removed the old stop cable and it moves pretty freely but It sounds crunchy about half way down. Plus I can see where the previous owner drilled a hole to re-locate the cable end to compensate for stretch. It's pretty much toast. I'll be buying a new one. Can't be more than $10. That will bring total parts to about $38 not including shop supplies oil and fuel. I just hope I can get enough out of it to make a little. If not i'll keep it and use it around the house.

I see guys fixing and selling push mowers on craigslist. I don't know how they do it. They're only getting $35 to $50. That doesn't leave much room to buy parts at retail and make any kind of money. Unless these guys are just getting them running, maybe sharpening the blades and letting the rest ride. Most garage guys don't have the capacity to do enough volume to buy parts at any kind of discount.
 
It all depends what kind of mower it is. If it is a cheap $100 walmart piece of junk, I would keep it for scrap metal until you get a bunch to take in. I would look mostly for mulchers and baggers and rear high wheels that are in descent shape and almost for nothing. Way back when I was doing that, thats what I would look for. Sometimes you get a mower with a bad deck and a good engine and handle bars or vice versa. Well now you have extra for other mowers as well to assemble. At first you wont see it then as your small inventory builds, but then you will have parts to move around to other mowers.

But if you cant change oil, plug, filter, blade sharpening and a good cleaning for under 20 or so dollars, your not looking in the right place for parts. First, quit going to the store to get parts, they already have there parts marked up. Also, when you start to see common parts you can sometime order 2 or 3 of each item then you dont have to keep ordering all the time. You think push mowers are expensive, wait until you get into riding mowers. So if you get a free mower and you do this, now you can sell it for 35 or 40 bucks. If you pay $10 or $15 for it now you can sell it for $50 or $60. But it also depends what brand of mower it is to. A poulan push mower, high wheel, bagger, mulcher brand new could fetch $200 to $270 maybe more? Service it and resell for $80 - $100, a little scuffed paint or something that doesnt look right, minus that from price, $65- $80. A 8 year old John Deere push with a bagger, self propelled and brand new it was a $500 push mower, service it make sure everything is ok and you could still turn it around for $150 - $200.

This is why I was telling you, if your going to do it, you have to do it right or dont do it at all. Build a good reputation and people will come around. To many factors that can go wrong fast and your stuck with a garage full of mowers.

Personally, since your not a dealer doing warranty work, you could easily use after market parts which are way cheaper then OEM parts. I still use http://tewarehouse.com/ for OEM and after market parts. Which there not to bad, no minimum order, free shipping on orders over $200 and shipping is only $8.95 otherwise. The key here is to order for a few mowers at one time. Also need to get yourself set up with service manuals, ipl's and a few places online to order parts so on and so forth so you can easily look up parts when needed.

I also figured out then that if I needed oil or carb choke cleaner I would go to the store and buy in bulk.
 
Look for a "cable stop" or "barrel bolt" ,they are sold under other various names also--auto parts stores sell them,they are made just for this purpose--its nothing more than a small peice of brass that has a threaded hole on it for a screw,with a hole drilled in the brass peice for the cable to pass thru,which is clamped tight by the screw..

Granted this "fix" may turn off a purist customer,but I use these things all the time to make cables that are "almost" correct work on mowers I dont feel like spending much money on,or on my own tractors & creations!..
 
It all depends what kind of mower it is. If it is a cheap $100 walmart piece of junk, I would keep it for scrap metal until you get a bunch to take in. I would look mostly for mulchers and baggers and rear high wheels that are in descent shape and almost for nothing. Way back when I was doing that, thats what I would look for. Sometimes you get a mower with a bad deck and a good engine and handle bars or vice versa. Well now you have extra for other mowers as well to assemble. At first you wont see it then as your small inventory builds, but then you will have parts to move around to other mowers.

But if you cant change oil, plug, filter, blade sharpening and a good cleaning for under 20 or so dollars, your not looking in the right place for parts. First, quit going to the store to get parts, they already have there parts marked up. Also, when you start to see common parts you can sometime order 2 or 3 of each item then you dont have to keep ordering all the time. You think push mowers are expensive, wait until you get into riding mowers. So if you get a free mower and you do this, now you can sell it for 35 or 40 bucks. If you pay $10 or $15 for it now you can sell it for $50 or $60. But it also depends what brand of mower it is to. A poulan push mower, high wheel, bagger, mulcher brand new could fetch $200 to $270 maybe more? Service it and resell for $80 - $100, a little scuffed paint or something that doesnt look right, minus that from price, $65- $80. A 8 year old John Deere push with a bagger, self propelled and brand new it was a $500 push mower, service it make sure everything is ok and you could still turn it around for $150 - $200.

This is why I was telling you, if your going to do it, you have to do it right or dont do it at all. Build a good reputation and people will come around. To many factors that can go wrong fast and your stuck with a garage full of mowers.

Personally, since your not a dealer doing warranty work, you could easily use after market parts which are way cheaper then OEM parts. I still use http://tewarehouse.com/ for OEM and after market parts. Which there not to bad, no minimum order, free shipping on orders over $200 and shipping is only $8.95 otherwise. The key here is to order for a few mowers at one time. Also need to get yourself set up with service manuals, ipl's and a few places online to order parts so on and so forth so you can easily look up parts when needed.

I also figured out then that if I needed oil or carb choke cleaner I would go to the store and buy in bulk.
Well said!!!! I have been doing it for a about two years...
My goal is to either get free mowers, and put a max of $15-$25 and maybe no more then an hour or two and flip them for
$60-$80 for a regular push,,
$120<>$140 for a very nice self propelled..

If I buy mowers, I pay no more then $25 for push mowers, and more then $50 for self proppelled....

and yes to having a huge inventory of parts mowers helps in getting parts for free
 
Most garage guys don't have the capacity to do enough volume to buy parts at any kind of discount.
This part isnt true either. Alot of the Dealers that I know, this is how they started. They had to keep moving or building new and bigger buildings to keep up with everything.

Back when I was doing this (I still do it) you will be surprised how fast this will blow up on you. I know guys that still work from there garage and every once in a while i'll go past them and there front is just loaded with stuff from people dropping it off.

Some mornings when I get to my place, there will be 4 or 5 push mowers, 1 or 2 riders, several weed eaters. Most have figured out to wait for me others havent. Depends when there going to work I suppose.

Thats why I was saying, if this is something you want to do, do it right. People will come back.

Get a few decent looking riders, clean them up, service them, run a ad in the paper and see how many will call you. Riders will disappear quickly, specially the ones that look pretty good. ****, I even wax them to give them a shine. Just dont skimp on servicing it, if it isnt done dont let it go no matter how bad they want it, because you are the one they will blame.

I dont sell decent looking ones for anything less then $500 and I go up to around a 1000 on some. Sometimes you can get them for under 200, normally around 100 - 150, servicing it will be about 60 or so unless there is alot wrong with them. Twins are more. I normally over mark by a hundred to get what I want. Do you see where the money is coming in here?? No your not ripping people off if you do your part, they will pay you what they think it is worth.
 
DJ's right I started out just oil change;s and blade sharpening but I allways pressurwashed and cleaned up everything, soon after getting more and more books and old mowers for parts things keeps going more and more, on my card it says appointment only cause i just wanted part time but I have to turn people away if you do it right and go the extra mile for people you will be over whelmed with customers remember get those junkers and a good place to work and dont be afraid to let a few see that you do have the tools to do the job ED
 
I don't want to do it. I just fix the ones that I use to mow my own lawn.
People drop machines off all the time, but I refuse them. Machines show up for nothing, people just don't want to pay the dump (aka recyele center) to take them.
Same with lawn tractors. People buy new ones, but the dealers don't want the old ones. They're worth nothing to the dealers.
People ask me if they can purchase my machines, since they see that I have a few hanging around. I'd rather give them away than to charge for them. If you charge for them and something goes wrong, you can be held liable for it. Liability Insurance takes a big bite out of your profits.
 
I'd rather give them away than to charge for them. If you charge for them and something goes wrong, you can be held liable for it. Liability Insurance takes a big bite out of your profits.
Even if you give them away, you can still held liable. Even if a seat switch is disconnected when you get, you didnt know it, you give it away, they get hurt, you can be held liable, they roll it over cause there dumb, they can still hold you liable, flywheel explodes while there using it and get hurt you can still be held liable, if for some reason gas starts to leak and catchs fire, you can still be held liable. Do not believe for a second that because no moneis exchanged hands doesnt make you liable. They find a good lawyer and you will see other wise.
 
I got myself in trouble when I collected a few dozen riding mowers people decided to junk and I couldn't see them being scrapped when not much was "wrong" with them...I made some decent money for awhile flipping free ones,but soon my yard became a junkyard,and the town selectmen came and did a :"sting",then proceeded to inform me being in a residential zone (with commercial bussinesses within spitting distance) ,I could not legally "run a bussiness" at home--cant get away with calling it a "hobby" either...

Between that,and the insurance factor as far as liability,I reluctantly got rid of all my parts machines and dont drag push mowers home from the dump any more...now when I need a part you cant buy new any more,I'm screwed...I'm convinced everyone in the town offices have a grudge against anyone trying to make a buck on the side ,especially if you can get something for free and flip it...its not worth the hassles to me to do it any more...I get stuff I wantand fix it for muyself,and will fix only a few select friends machines,and at THEIR placeif possible,so I dont get accused of being an "illegal" mower repair shop again...

Its OK if your county is rural and not full of stupid by-laws,you can get away with it--but the insurance liability can still bite you hard...it stinks,but thats the way it is ...they like making life hard if you want to be self employed--if you dont want to be like the rest of the sheep and work for someone else,they hit you with every fine,fee,permit,and tax you can think of...unless you have family or friends at town hall !..
 
I have been to busy lately to check in here until today, but wanted to kink my $0.02 in here. A lot of good points made, but dj has hit everything pretty much spot on. Yes, i work from my garage but I am legit where I am at. When I started, I set up with Stens and Rotary, using Jack's as a backup. Found out that wasn't gonna cut it. It took some sweet talking, but I got the same distributors the big boy's use to take me on as a customer with a trade discount. Granted sometimes the discount isn't a lot, but it makes the difference between between breaking even and making a living. I have migrated into warranty work and that has helped a lot with wholesale pricing. Keep track of all the parts you use or sell and you will notice a trend which will help you decide which common parts to buy in bulk. If I have to order a part, and it is not a high dollar item, I order at least 2- one for the customer and one for me. You will slowly build up a good stock that way without breaking the bank. If I have to order $100 in parts to repair a customers machine, and I am charging $200 for the repair, I order $75 in parts to get my common stock. I figure that gives me $75 in inventory I didn't have, and $25 in the pocket. Sometimes the profit on one customer pays for all the parts for 3 other customers. That leaves what I make on the 3 others as profit. (In my little mind anyway). I have tried the short cut route and it bites you in the a$$ every time! Do a quality job at a reasonable price, with proper parts and you will earn a good reputation. I don't try to pinch penny's for the customer. It is what it is. If you don't like the price, go shop elsewhere. I guarantee they always come back to me after seeing what the competition charges. As far as building a hobby fixing mowers, you will go broke. You have to look at it from a business standpoint. And when you do that, you begin to realize just how much overhead you actually have. Tools, simple shop supplies. And yep, Insurance! Not only do you have to look at the liability, you have to think about the other stuff such as environmental (oil and gas spills in the dirt that get costly to clean up) proper disposal (of the gas and oil you didn't spill) warranty on your work ( I don't care how good you are, you will have an occasional comeback, or a customer you just can't satisfy). Security is often an overlooked issue. What are you going to do if some a$$hole comes and steals all your customers machines? Even doing it as a "hobby" you still have to do it right or you will wind up with a town full of folk's that don't think too kindly of you. Do it right and you will have the same headache I do----I am SWAMPED! My, my wife, and a full time mechanic can't keep up. I am putting another guy on the payroll this week (which in itself is more overhead and more paperwork). Every time I b*tch about it, my wife reminds me, This is what you wanted, to get so busy you didn't have time to fart. Ok, so you got more than $0.02. Good luck....Todd
 
I did not even read your reply, a paragraph:praying: or two would be nice...
 
I did not even read your reply, a paragraph:praying: or two would be nice...
Well, did ya get "smoke" in your eye there marlboro180 and tear up? Thats because it wasnt directed towards you, it was ment for others that wants or could use the info for doing this type of thing. Apparently you dont want it so you didnt read it so you dont need it. Ha i'm a poet.


themidniteryder, you make some very good points about getting parts. That will make or break ya pretty fast if your not watching what your doing. I do pretty much the same thing when I order parts, it also allows me to spread the s&h to others instead on just one or two people depending on the size of the order.
 
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