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Well, as stated in a former post, I have four Simplicity machines, three of which are fixable. My question is, which is best for work such as pulling a wagon, moving a camper around, and snow plowing in the winter?
I've got a 7016 S, which is complete, but needs front tires and has a manual lift, a 7117H which will soon have a custom fitted 16hp Briggs installed, that had hydraulic lift, and what we'll call a 3410H for now although all numbers say it's a 3410S. (Crossbred machine but it runs and works fine). All have some degree of steering issues, especially the 7016S which will need one spindle either replaced or straightened, 2 tires, and proper repair of the steering bushings.

What I'm considering is to rob the motor from the 7016S for the 7117H, and the hood for the 3410 to give that one headlights. I'm not too fond of those tiny bulbs that my one parts machine has.
What my concern is am I parting out the wrong machine? Is the hi/lo three speed set up on the 7016S worth having or is the hydrostatic drive better for my uses? I like and will keep the 7117H but it's a matter of whether to retrofit a non tractor application motor and make a driveshaft to fit as needed just to make a puller for yard work, or should I, or would you take the easy way out and just swap in the motor from the only manual trans tractor I have in bunch and still probably end up making a custom length driveshaft. Doing this will eliminate notching the frame to fit the non-Simplicity oil pan of the 16hp I took from an air compressor.

I have enough parts to make three tractors but stripping the 7016S makes the other two a bit nicer. Or should I be fixing the 7016S and just sell of the 3410 with the hydrostatic trans?

The idea to part out the 7016S came after I spent four hours freeing up the hi/lo shifter mechanism to get both hi and low gears to work It works but is a bit clunky to operate at times. (I may also not be doing something right when I shift).
Much to my surprise, all of these run good so far, I'm also not a big fan of the starter/generator on the 3410 model. I also thought about pulling the 10hp from the 3410, still parting out the 7016 but using it's geared starter motor on the 3410, essentially making a home built 3416H I guess? Then staying with the plan to custom install the compressor found Briggs 16 in the 7117H, and parting out the 7016 for it's headlight hood and selling it with the older 10hp and older non lighted hood as a running machine?
 
Depending on the capability of the hydro, I vote for the better control availability afforded by hydros. I haven't had a gear drive in over 35 years, and I'm not looking for one.

Bob :rauch10:
 
I think most that have used both a hydro and gear shift would agree that the hydro is much more user friendly. A simple press of the pedal and you go forward or backwards without interuption. This is particularly helpful when moving snow or dirt as both hands are free to manipulate the attachment (plow blade, snow blower, bucket, grader, etc...).
 
Hydro. More speed control. Heck, skid loaders are hydro pump. I pulled 3k trailers up hills with my hydro. That was 6 or 7 years ago. It was not once either. I landscaped my yard and abused it all summer with retaining wall block. I use it to mow, till, snowblow, plow, and tow and it just keeps going. High fives for hydros!:thThumbsU:bannana::dancingpa
 
I would vote for hydro also.

I also thought that Plan C might work.
Make as many running tractors as possible; sell them all; someone will take a parts tractor; then buy what you want in good shape done.

Or simply build what you want to keep; sell the rest. which is what you are doing.

Frankly, this would drive my crazy; but there's a way out, and I hear you have a plan to maximize the situation. It's just that I see the entire pile as a stepping stone. So, I am saying sell it all by maxing the situation - and then buy a 7100series. And I think you end up with a free tractor no matter what.

And I like the little side lights; I want them on my tractor; I like the image. Not sure if I can just add them - I think I need a hood and paint.

Interesting that a few people want some of your parts - and you haven't even offered that.
 
Good point! I would go hydro on anything 12hp and up. 10hp would work but it may be working it a little depending on the load. I do not think the sovereigns ever came in a 10hp and a 48" deck. I could be wrong though...
 
Someone came calling recently seeking info on an AC710; very rare, seemed non-existent but eventually we located it w GearTrans, and a 38deck only. You have nicely addressed the issue of balance as well.

as for being wrong, we'll let you know if that ever happens :biglaugh:
 
I have used both, since having the hydro I don't know if I would go back to geared. Have a 7117H repowered with an Onan 18 twin and have used this for everything from pulling a 10" plow to dozing dirt and plowing snow and absolutely love it. The control is much better. Plus the hyd. lift is so much easier on the back and arms.
 
I have worked my 716H very hard... hit snow drifts so hard the entire tractor got thrown sideways... never any issue with the hydro. I don't think I could ever be happy with anything else.

The Sundstrand is one of many products that company makes that is industrial-quality... I would not hesitate to do anything with a hydro.
 
with the Simplicity tractors with Vickers or Sunstrand transmission strength of the transmission is not an issue at all. They are plenty robust. I personally like the Shuttles then the 3 speed and hydro. Not at all keen on the Varispeed though I have one and intend to keep.
 
Discussion starter · #14 ·
By Shuttle you mean the 7016S? A three speed manual trans with hi/lo belt drive? On this thing, there's a 3 speed shift lever and then a hi/lo lever that slides a belt tensioner of sorts and the belt swaps pulley sizes.
It was the bar on which the idle slides on that was frozen up on mine. I pulled it apart, wire wheeled the shaft up real nice and put it all back together with some synthetic grease on the shaft. It all works fine now.

Something I haven't put my finger on yet is why the 7117H 'feels' so much bigger than the others, the 3410 and 7016S? It just feels like more machine for some reason. Also, which models use which trans? Sunstrand? Vickers? Which is stronger and which is in the 7117H?
 
I did some googling, and it looks like 7117H uses Sundstrand, same as the one in my AC716H, which is supposedly AC equivalent to Simp 7016H, except engine. (kohler vs b&s).

There is a pix of it here in this thread - scroll to the 6th pix, has caption;
"Early type Sundstrand, note filter position between frame rails."
That's exactly what my 716H looks like. Yours should too.
http://simpletractors.com/Club2/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=34604



(The superior model, 'Sundstand 15 + Peerless 2500 transaxle', the one in the Simp Sunstars has the filter, I believe on the left side - but that's another story, different trans. I do not yet know, the Sundstrand model # for the one in the pix. I did find a tag on mine; but it's just a bunch of numbers, have not researched that yet. Maybe someone else knows the actual model#? It is a nice strong tranny. I don't know how t compares to the Sundstrand 15.)



What you said about the 3410, I think it's called 6-speed Gear Trans, like a 3speed w hi/lo range.

7016S = shuttle
7016G = gear
7016H = hydro


As for the 7100 feeling bigger - it is bigger. It's a couple inches longer. Also has newer style steering wheel, which is higher, leaving more room under the steering wheel, and perhaps creating a taller impression. The 7100series is like a refined version of the 7000series - almost identical mechanically; but a few subtle changes. No pod lights, vent on hood, slight styling change to hood or front, steering wheel, steering assembly. It's pretty subtle, but they stretched it somehow.



I could be wrong.... but Burntime will "bash" me if I am. :ROF
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Discussion starter · #16 ·
I prefer the hydro's for mowing and tilling or any job where you have to be changing directions often. I particularly like the foot controled hydros. For pulling dirt turning equipment or field sprayers I like the standard trans. as they are easier to maintain a given ground speed.
 
For pulling dirt turning equipment or field sprayers I like the standard trans. as they are easier to maintain a given ground speed.
A lot of hydros have a cruise control feature that allow you to maintain a consistent ground speed. I use this feature when spreading fertilizer or using ground engaging implements although running in low range maintains a fairly consistent slower speed as well.
 
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