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1. Before I attempt install of rear hyd pto to my 446, are there any pitfalls I should be aware of ?
i.e. " You need special wrench #xx to access the fittings unless you etc etc" . Haven`t studied it carefully, but while under there degreasing, it would appear to be a little "tight"
I have the HYD SYSTEM manual and understand the routing, just looking to benefit from any previous experience. ( less swearing, fewer skinned knuckles)

Thanks for your input.
 
If you have all the correct parts it isn't very difficult other than the need for some creative wrenching in the tight spots. A set of open end wrenches with angled ends are helpful but not essential. I would try to dry fit it to make sure you've got the right tubes in the right places. If you're using hoses for the connections you should have a couple extra JIC street elbows handy to bring the connection to travel valve down far enough to clear the frame.

Put some plastic wrap under the fill cap on the oil reservoir to minimize oil loss but don't forget to remove it before firing up the engine.
 
If you need one to practice on I will be happy to volunteer mine.

I have all of the parts, fittings and hoses but did not have time this last summer between mowings. Now it is too cold and dark in the pole barn. I'm working on several other excuses to have ready when warmer spring weather appears.

I'll be interested in knowing how your install went, though.

JN
 
If you need one to practice on I will be happy to volunteer mine.

I have all of the parts, fittings and hoses but did not have time this last summer between mowings. Now it is too cold and dark in the pole barn. I'm working on several other excuses to have ready when warmer spring weather appears.
:eek:mg: :fing20: What a sissy! This really isn't a tough job although you'll have to wash your hands when done. A PTO sitting on the bench isn't of much use.:00000060:
 
I wish you'd clap your hands more often--my wife just brought me a drink! Now all you have to do is train your wife to respond to your claps.:sidelaugh :sidelaugh
Yes! Just like Bart has his wife trained! You think??? ROFLMAO
 
I wish you'd clap your hands more often--my wife just brought me a drink!
Wow! What else does she do when I clap my hands?

Just my luck that my hand clapping works on Bart's wife all the way across two states but I can't get it to work on my wife when she is standing two feet away.

Oh well, hold my beer and watch this! Buy Bart a new 4223PS-PTO :congrats:

If that works you owe me big time Bart!

JN
 
Bart and his wife made some good choices
David,

I won't argue with you there.

I am still interested to see if Bart jumps on here talking about the new 4223PS-PTO tractor his wife just bought him. If that works I may be on to something here and I'll need to start clapping for everyone here on the forum.

Say...... You were good this year, right? I don't know any reason you shouldn't have a shiny new Ingy tractor, do you? Here goes.....:congrats: :thThumbsU

Let me know if it works for you. I may need to find someone to clap a new tractor for me. I was good this year (kind of) :crybaby:

Have a happy and safe New Year David!

JN
 
Wow! What else does she do when I clap my hands?

Just my luck that my hand clapping works on Bart's wife all the way across two states but I can't get it to work on my wife when she is standing two feet away.

Oh well, hold my beer and watch this! Buy Bart a new 4223PS-PTO :congrats:

If that works you owe me big time Bart!

JN
JN,

Sadly that did not work--yet! I spoke with my wife about it this morning and she has promised to do better in the future.

Happy New Year!
 
Bart,

I now have discovered that it requires significantly more hand clapping when it is cold out. I'll have another go at it later today and clap longer and harder. Check with your wife this evening and I think you'll find her in a very friendly (dare I say playful and amorous) mood and making innuendos about how sexy you would look sitting on a new Ingy tractor this coming year (that's her opinion - not mine). Play your cards right tonight and I think you're looking at a shiny new tractor very soon my friend. :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:

Happy New Year to you, your wonderful wife, and everyone here on the forum! :drunkie: :dancingpa :fest30:

JN
 
Bob,

Now that you mention it I remember having that problem too. I complained to the utility company repeatedly. It wasn't until I withheld payment to them that the problem finally went away by itself. :fing20:

JN
 
How does a thread about PTO installation manage to morph into one about clap......or was it clapping...... I don't know anymore because I sorta got lost along the way.

Rear PTO kits that used steel supply lines were issued for both the pre-79 short wheelbase models and the post 78 long wheelbase models. This means that the lines for the later units are two inches longer than the earlier ones. Obviously, you cannot expect to install the early kit on a late tractor or vice versa.

If your kit has hoses instead of steel lines, then you can shorten or lengthen them with a bit of creativity or if you do have steel lines and the wrong kit for your tractor, then you can change to hoses. Just don't throw out the lines. Seal off the ends and store them in case you decide to sell the PTO later on.

Installing the kit is a simple task and shouldn't take you more than a couple of hours max. Take off any attachments first, including decks. Don't worry about the hooking up the PTO valve first. Instead, go under the tractor and remove the high pressure hose coming from the pump, right at the point where it attaches to the travel/lift valve. Once that end of the hose is free, install the appropriate steel line or hose to the IN port on the travel/lift valve and the other hose or steel line to the now dangling hose coming from the pump.

Snug those fittings up but don't tighten them. Go to the rear of the tractor and attach the line coming from the pump to the IN port on the PTO valve and the other line to the OUT port. Again, snug them up for the moment. Now is the time to position the valve's mounting bracket where it should go and bolt it down solidly. With the valve now mounted, tighten all fittings, start the tractor, check for leaks and top up the reservoir. Congrats.... you're done.

When working on hydraulics, cleanliness is paramount. Flush any hoses or lines before installing. Seal off the end you are not working with by applying tape over the end to make sure no dirt gets in accidentally. It only takes a spec of material less than 1/8" in size to create problems in certain areas and none of the older tractors are fitted with a filter.

When testing the system after working on it, wear safety goggles. High pressure oil in the eye can result in blindness.
 
When testing the system after working on it, wear safety goggles. High pressure oil in the eye can result in blindness.
CG2,

Excellent advice. For those of us that don't work around hydraulics all day long (and even those that do) many don't realize the danger that a hydraulic leak can present. This is not like a leak in the household plumbing or garden hose. High pressure hydraulic fluid can cut and tear flesh easier than a scalpel and worse yet can inject the fluid into skin and muscle. The results are not pretty or pleasant.

Don't ever take high-pressure lines for granted! The hydraulic features of Case/Ingy tractors are great and make these tractors what they are. But considering the professional grade equipment that they are, they deserve professional grade respect.

Everyone have a happy AND SAFE New Year!

JN

BTW - CG2, this clap is for everything you do (to help others on this forum) :congrats: :sidelaugh
 
my life would be much easier
But not as much fun! I appreciate the contributions that everyone makes here and the diversity of opinions adds an additional dimension. That's why I check this forum daily and follow even the threads that have nothing whatsoever to do with my own tractor.

Let's face it, if everyone on this thread was your typical 'follow the crowd, plays well with others' types, we'd all be mowing our yards, tilling our soil, and plowing our snow with green machines we purchased from big box stores, right?

JN
 
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C.G. TOO
Thanks for the informative advice. PTO (steel lines) came uninstalled with
`87 446. When it quits snowing, I`ll remove the rear weight box and refer back to your excellent directions.
Thanks!
 
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