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We have a very short and normally cool growing season here. Is anyone using a hoop house or green house to extend their season? I've got a heated garage that I use to start seeds but I can't safety put things out till early to mid June. I'm looking for a way to start earlier and to extend my harvest. I obviously don't want to spend a lot of money.


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We have used them off and on over the years.

This enclosure in this image, winter 2003, was or largest hoop house and it was clear span.
The interior was water garden with a walkway along one side and end. We had a very small table and 2 chairs.

It had a metal spine made from electrical conduit and chain link fence pipe. The spine uprights slid into sockets set in concrete. This allowed us to pull the house down during the summer.

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More recently my wife has used simple ones to get her giant pumpkins started early in the spring. She used PVC pipe arches pushed onto rebar driven into the ground. Each pumpkin plant had its own shelter. Heat tapes in the ground provided additional boost.

We have gotten to where we want to keep plants alive all winter and plant to build a in ground green house aka Walipini.
 
I have used some smaller ones for the sensitive crops like tomatoes and peppers to give them a start.
Like 3v0 said, I also used electrical conduit and bent my own arches. For smaller "tunnels" I use common 1/2" but for larger 4/5 ft high I bend inch conduit. I only use them during spring to help get ground warmed up and get them started till danger of late frost is past. Easy to regulate temp by opening/closing end. I like the row tunnel rather than individual ones cause don't get as much fluctuation. Also set plastic milk bottles filled w/ water and wrapped in black plastic to help keep warm at night when cools down and ends are closed up. Pain in neck to do each day, but being retired I guess I have the time.
Also like the conduit to make larger hoops to cover blueberries (10 bushes) to keep birds off. I can now actually enjoy the "fruits of my labor":sidelaugh:sidelaugh rather than watching the birds eat the crop, fly away, dropping blue poop on the line of freshly washed clothes.:fing32:
MikeC
 
We have used them off and on over the years.

This enclosure in this image, winter 2003, was or largest hoop house and it was clear span.
The interior was water garden with a walkway along one side and end. We had a very small table and 2 chairs.

It had a metal spine made from electrical conduit and chain link fence pipe. The spine uprights slid into sockets set in concrete. This allowed us to pull the house down during the summer.

Image


More recently my wife has used simple ones to get her giant pumpkins started early in the spring. She used PVC pipe arches pushed onto rebar driven into the ground. Each pumpkin plant had its own shelter. Heat tapes in the ground provided additional boost.

We have gotten to where we want to keep plants alive all winter and plant to build a in ground green house aka Walipini.
3vo… The Walipini in ground greenhouse seems like an interesting idea. I just might have to try that. Thanks for the info.
 
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I have used some smaller ones for the sensitive crops like tomatoes and peppers to give them a start.

Like 3v0 said, I also used electrical conduit and bent my own arches. For smaller "tunnels" I use common 1/2" but for larger 4/5 ft high I bend inch conduit. I only use them during spring to help get ground warmed up and get them started till danger of late frost is past. Easy to regulate temp by opening/closing end. I like the row tunnel rather than individual ones cause don't get as much fluctuation. Also set plastic milk bottles filled w/ water and wrapped in black plastic to help keep warm at night when cools down and ends are closed up. Pain in neck to do each day, but being retired I guess I have the time.

Also like the conduit to make larger hoops to cover blueberries (10 bushes) to keep birds off. I can now actually enjoy the "fruits of my labor":sidelaugh:sidelaugh rather than watching the birds eat the crop, fly away, dropping blue poop on the line of freshly washed clothes.:fing32:

MikeC

Good information Mike.


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I've always wondered if there is any info on what type of temperature increase you'll get based on size and material you use. I am building a greenhouse out of old windows. The size is about 4 foot by 2.5 feet and the tall height is about 5 foot and short height is 3.5 feet.
 
I have used old windows to build cold frames for acclimating seedlings before setting outside into garden. And yes, they do increase the temperature inside. So much so that if you don't have a way to vent the heat, you can easily steam you plants. And of course then you have to remember to close up at night. Lot of info out there online to help you in your decisions. A lot also depends on if you want to use throughout the season, or just to get a jump start on season. Good luck.
MikeC
 
There are always a thousand ways to extend your season. I found a pallet of rebar coiled for a concrete pillar, probably for a highway overpass, at my steel recycling yard. With a couple straight sections of rebar welded on and some concrete mesh from a big box store I have a "cold frame".

Whatever you do, do not "invest" in a Harbor Freight green house. They don't call it Horror Fright for nothing...
 
Last week, I found the old 36" X 36" aluminum windows Dad took out of the house and replaced, in the hay mow. Got enough 1-1/4" square, light steel tubing buffed off today to weld together for corners & door frame. Now to find an all aluminum storm door, and I'll be set. Habitat for Humanity is having half off sale this Sat., so hopefully I'll find something there.

Love repurposing stuff..!!
 
Found a guy on Craigslist selling 14' wide hoops for $15 each and bought 4 of them, I spaced them @ 2' centers - so the HH is 8'x14'. A good friend with a huge aquaponics greenhouse hooked me up with enough greenhouse plastic (single layer) to cover the top and sides. The same plastic has been on there for 3 years now with no signs of deterioration yet. Including the 8'x16' 2x4 bottom frame I have less than $75 tied up in it.

Been using it early each season to start off all of my garden plants. This year - started onions out there on Jan. 26th, yesterday the tomatoes and eggplant went out to join the peppers started 2 weeks ago.

If you're starting out all of your plants in the house on the kitchen table as I was...your wife will love it! Even in late Jan., you will have to make sure to adjust the vents during the day (I've seen temps over 120* on a sunny day)...at night some type of supplemental heat will be necessary. I use a little oil filled electric radiator type and get away with using it at its lowest setting unless we go below 0, thanks to a nice gasket I installed around the door.

I monitor the temps out there 24/7 from my recliner, by glancing @ the receiver sitting on the window sill www.lacrossetechnology.com/9080

Never really tried to extend my season...by September/October I'm ready to put down the hoe and pick up the bow
 
njjack what area of Jersey are you in. I'm in Pa so the temps are similar. How do you vent?
I'm off 55, nearly halfway to Cape May from the Walt or Benny. Nothing elaborate with my vents...I use a pair of 8x16" foundation vents with sliding dampers. During the night when the heat is needed, they're completely sealed off with a piece of 1" thick foam.
 
I'm kind of familiar with that area. Some of my in-laws live in Cape May. I'm an hour west of Philly. Almost Amish country. I finished my greenhouse today. It's a lot smaller. But there wasn't enough sunlight left to get it out. I assumed it wouldn't benefit me with the snow coming to get it outside. So I installed some drip irrigation and hopefully will get it out Saturday.
 
Sounds like you're in Lancaster or possibly York county...nice country out that way. Not much difference in our temps as most of what comes our way, good or bad, usually comes from your direction. Post a pic of the finished product after you push the snow out of the way and get it set up :fing32:
 
We get 90% of what we need from a VERY reasonable local greenhouse,, but for the 10% we like to start,,,
this works great!!

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We use it ALL summer to start LOTS of lettuce,,,, LOTS!! :sidelaugh

It never overheats, which is a shock, I guess the ground tempers the temperature.

Also, it never dries out,,, very little wattering is needed,,, :fing32:
 
I'm off 55, nearly halfway to Cape May from the Walt or Benny. Nothing elaborate with my vents...I use a pair of 8x16" foundation vents with sliding dampers. During the night when the heat is needed, they're completely sealed off with a piece of 1" thick foam.
I'm planning on using a couple of those vents in my tiny greenhouse that's a work in progress. Can you recall the name brand of the vents..?? The one's I've checked out online at the local big box stores don't have the best reviews. Some say their's work great, while others don't. But I've also read where some are adjustable temp. wise. Never used them, so don't have a clue.
 
DJ

Can't recall the manufacturer but they look exactly like this Leigh Aluminum Foundation Vent (86159) - Foundation Vents - Ace Hardware

I decided on these only because I had a few leftover when I built my house. I was on the edge, almost bought a few of those solar type vents from the depot but as you mentioned, they don't get very high marks in the reviews. They sound good in theory but the temp ranges on the low side (when they work) aren't really optimal either. They're designed to be fully open @70* and clam up @40*.

The vents in place now do a good job, but it's all done manually - for me it's not a prob, but they're not for everyone. If you decide to give em a shot, consider at least one high (primary vent) and one low (used as a damper to control the draw and pull in cooler air). My setup works good, even in very cold weather mainly because the hoop house is tight. I think the tighter the setup, the more control you have keeping temps from fluctuating to the extreme opposites

The indoor LaCrosse monitor/outdoor sensor setup was money well spent...makes it fairly simple.
 
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