A few years back I had bought a 5 gallon bucket of the 20w-40 if my memory serves me correcly for a big savings over going thru the dealer and getting it thru them.Now I have called a few distributors and with no luck I can't find it besides in quarts at the dealers. But I know some of my freinds that use either 15-40 or 20-50. So what are you running for hyd oil or if you know of a place to get the stock weight (20w40 i believe) oil in a larger container than a qt please let us know.Im planing on chaning the hyd fluid on my 7020 soon and I might as well on the 4120 so im going to need a little oil anyways.
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A few years back I had bought a 5 gallon bucket of the 20w-40 if my memory serves me correcly for a big savings over going thru the dealer and getting it thru them.Now I have called a few distributors and with no luck I can't find it besides in quarts at the dealers. But I know some of my freinds that use either 15-40 or 20-50. So what are you running for hyd oil or if you know of a place to get the stock weight (20w40 i believe) oil in a larger container than a qt please let us know.Im planing on chaning the hyd fluid on my 7020 soon and I might as well on the 4120 so im going to need a little oil anyways.
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DL told me I can use 15-40 to top off when needed. I use shell rotella t. It's rated to use in diesels etc.
I would think that 20w50 would be fine also, especially in the hot weather.
MU
I would think that 20w50 would be fine also, especially in the hot weather.
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Good luck on finding 20W40. That grade has all but disappeared in the past few years. Go with the Rotella in either the 20W50 or 15W40 grades. Either one will work just fine in your tractor.
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Yupper. the 15-40 works great!
moe in wichita ks
your rotella diesel has zinc in it. most automotive oils do not. valveoline premeum blue 15w 40 has a lot of zinc, its rated for diesel as well. i know a few truck drivers that use rotella. its a good oil. i use valveoline premeum blue.
your rotella diesel has zinc in it. most automotive oils do not. valveoline premeum blue 15w 40 has a lot of zinc, its rated for diesel as well. i know a few truck drivers that use rotella. its a good oil. i use valveoline premeum blue.
moe in wichita ks
in 1975 i was working at case in wichita. and enginering came out with a bulliton that said one could use type f trans fluid in the hyd system. i have a 446 that was changed over to type f in 1975, it still has that same batch of type f now. its great in the winter.
in 1975 i was working at case in wichita. and enginering came out with a bulliton that said one could use type f trans fluid in the hyd system. i have a 446 that was changed over to type f in 1975, it still has that same batch of type f now. its great in the winter.
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Moe,
Welcome to MTF.
With all due respect, you worked in the Wichita plant, not the Winneconne, Wisconsin plant. The Outdoor Power Equipment Division of J. I. Case was solely housed at Winneconne. While it is true that Case used Onan's and Kohler's and Wisconsin's in many other pieces of equipment they built, the hydraulic systems of the garden tractors require motor oil, not automobile transmission fluid of any type. That bulletin was never issued by Winniconne nor was it endorsed by them.
If you have been running the same WRONG fluid in your 446 for 32 years, then you are ruining your pump and drive motor because there is no filter in the hydraulic system to take out any wear particles. All hydraulic systems wear and that material is held in suspension by the oil. If you had taken the time to read your Operator's Manual, you would note that Case expects owners to change the hydraulic oil every 500 hours max during a season as well as seasonally. :fing20:
As it stands right now, you're behind by 64 oil changes on your tractor, so you have a lot of catching up to do.:thThumbsU
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JEFF,
IF YOU HAVE AN O'REILLY AUTO PARTS IN YOUR TOWN, STOP BY AND HAVE THEM GET THE OIL YOU WANT IN ANY SIZE CONTAINER YOU WANT, IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT ALREADY. I AM THE STORE MANAGER OF AN O'REILLY AUTO PARTS STORE IN INDIANA AND WE HAVE JUST ABOUT ANY FLAVOR YOU COULD WANT. DEL-VEC, ROTELA T, ROYAL PURPLE ETC, ETC...:goodl:
PATRICK
IF YOU HAVE AN O'REILLY AUTO PARTS IN YOUR TOWN, STOP BY AND HAVE THEM GET THE OIL YOU WANT IN ANY SIZE CONTAINER YOU WANT, IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT ALREADY. I AM THE STORE MANAGER OF AN O'REILLY AUTO PARTS STORE IN INDIANA AND WE HAVE JUST ABOUT ANY FLAVOR YOU COULD WANT. DEL-VEC, ROTELA T, ROYAL PURPLE ETC, ETC...:goodl:
PATRICK
moe in wichita ks
i do not know much about case corporate offices. but my pay check said J.I. case. and we built the best trenchers. now they build the best skip loaders as well. i was in the experimental shop and talked to the enginers every day. i saw the bulliten and we changed some large machines over to typ f, they used cessna gear pumps. one enginer and i took a machine outside and for four days temps at 90 to 95 and got it as hot as we could, after word he said that type f was ok. dont tell me i didnt work at case. davis mfg was bought by case in 1968. i was there
i do not know much about case corporate offices. but my pay check said J.I. case. and we built the best trenchers. now they build the best skip loaders as well. i was in the experimental shop and talked to the enginers every day. i saw the bulliten and we changed some large machines over to typ f, they used cessna gear pumps. one enginer and i took a machine outside and for four days temps at 90 to 95 and got it as hot as we could, after word he said that type f was ok. dont tell me i didnt work at case. davis mfg was bought by case in 1968. i was there
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Moe,
No one is telling you that you didn't work for Case and I know that Davis was bought by Case in order to add the trencher to their construction line up. Davis made the backhoe that was used by the Outdoor Power Division in Winneconne on the 600 loader/backhoe during the seventies and early eighties.
What was done with large machines that used Cessna pumps at another division is TOTALLY irrelevant to the needs of the hydraulic systems in the garden tractors. Garden tractors and trenchers are two totally different machines with totally different components and totally different needs. Working for another division of J. I. Case does not make you an expert on the garden tractors nor does ownership of a 446 qualify you either.
If you think that type F tranny fluid is the cat's a$$ for your 446, then be my guest and run it until your pump pukes. What I won't ever agree with, is your "advice" that type F transmission fluid is an acceptable oil for use in a Colt, Case or Ingersoll garden tractor's hydraulic system. You will never find a hydraulics engineer at Ingersoll to agree with you.
Every single Operator's Manual published by Colt, Case and Ingersoll spec'd motor oil only for the hydraulics system. That's an indisputable fact. Ingersoll dealers sell 20W40 motor oil that has been bottled specifically for Ingersoll to be sold to customers for the hydraulics system. Other than an Ingersoll dealer, 20W40 is nearly impossible to find anywhere else which is why I recommend using 20W50 or 15W40 Rotella T from Shell or its equivalent. And my recommendation comes by way of my personal association with Bill Parkin who was chief engineer at the Winneconne plant until Eastman moved Ingersoll to Maine.
Go to http://www.ingersoll-inc.com and write to customer service. Ask them if Ford transmission fluid is an acceptable oil to run in the hydraulic system or not. It's time that you learned the truth.
I was browsing through the Oil at the local Wally World and I found Rotella Synthetic 5-40. This will be my 1st winter w/my new-to-me Ingy and I'll be running a hydraulic blower. We routinely have sub-freezing weather and in January-February we may not see the north side of 0 degrees F. Is this grade of oil prefereable in the really cold of a North Maine winter -- is it an acceptable grade for year-round use? I'd rather not drain and refill the hydraulic reservoirs evry fall/spring. But, If I must. . . .
Also, I just got my copy of an owners manual from Ingersoll direct -- I'm about a 1/3 of the way through it and have been advised no less than three times that "lugging" is bad and not to let the engine "lug"...I apologize for the ignorance, but what exactly is lugging and how do I know if I'm doing it? I always used "lug" to mean "carry something really heavy" and that's kind of the reason I have a tractor . . . .
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Todd
Also, I just got my copy of an owners manual from Ingersoll direct -- I'm about a 1/3 of the way through it and have been advised no less than three times that "lugging" is bad and not to let the engine "lug"...I apologize for the ignorance, but what exactly is lugging and how do I know if I'm doing it? I always used "lug" to mean "carry something really heavy" and that's kind of the reason I have a tractor . . . .
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Todd
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To be honest, I don't know of anyone who has used synthetic oil in their hydraulic system. Logically, it would seem to be a good move considering the temps you encounter in your area. Synthetic is less affected by cold weather compared to dino oil. Since this is a 5/40 oil, I'd have to say: Go ahead and use it. When warmer temps come, keep on using it. If you notice a drop in ground speed when the oil gets hot, then that's telling you that you are encountering a viscosity issue but it won't harm the system.
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I agree it ain;t cheap though but you dont have and all hyd machine..One of the benefits :sidelaugh of an all hyd machine is when a line goes (there lots of them) so does all your oil.
Thank you.
My 6018 does not have a tach . . . how do I know what RPMs I operating at.
Todd
Say you have the throttle lever at idle and you try to lift a bucket full of dirt. Your engine will want to die on you, that is lugging.
15/40 tends to get a little thick in the winter time. If you keep your tractor stored in a heated space over the winter, you should not have problems with that oil. However, if it is stored outside/unheated shed/barn then there will be problems. The hydrolics and drive will be sluggish until the oil heats up. If it is too cold, you run the risk of very little or no oil flow and you may burn up the pump. Yeah synthetic may be expensive, but it's cheaper than a new pump.
Pete
15/40 tends to get a little thick in the winter time. If you keep your tractor stored in a heated space over the winter, you should not have problems with that oil. However, if it is stored outside/unheated shed/barn then there will be problems. The hydrolics and drive will be sluggish until the oil heats up. If it is too cold, you run the risk of very little or no oil flow and you may burn up the pump. Yeah synthetic may be expensive, but it's cheaper than a new pump.
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Yes it would but with the sort of winter temps you encounter, I think that I'd try the synthetic.
Is there any chance that you have the hydraulic PTO on this tractor?
BTW, there are tachometers out there for small engines. Do a Google search. I'm sure that you'll come up with what you need.
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