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I am getting ready to take the plunge and get my first JD. Thinking about the x320 and x500. In a last second act of desperation (and trying to be cheap), I looked online at the LA 145 that Lowes sells. The HP and 48" deck were impressive at $1999. That is a far cry less than the other models I am getting quotes on over the last few days. I had no choice but to ask.... How do the LA compare to the x300? Or do they compare may be a better way to put it. If a $2,000 tractor will do the same job (for me) as a $7,000 tractor, I may need to rethink some things. For those of you who have not seen my other post, I am looking for a mower to cut a little less than 2 acres of flat terrain. I will be throwing lawn sand a few times a year and pulling a plug aerator a few times a year. Centipede lawn in south central North Carolina. Anyone have any thoughts they will share? I am buying something in the next week. I can't wait to figure out what. So many choices!

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You sure as **** don't need a $7000.00 tractor to look after what you have listed so my advice is for you to save $5000.00, put it into some mutual funds and watch it double over the next ten years while your $2000.00 Deere takes care of your 2 acres worth of chores with ease.

At that point, you can sell your ten year old unit for $500.00 and buy a new replacement for $3000.00 (inflation) and take the $12,000.00 (inflation) needed to buy a new X-500 and add that to the $7,000.00 still sitting in the mutual fund account and let the $19,000.00 ride for another ten years. At that point, you will likely have $50,000.00 in mutual funds. Buy the X-500 now and all you'll have is a worn out tractor.

Time-wise, there's just not that much difference between a 48" deck and a 54" deck. The most important thing is timely maintenance. Keep the machine clean, dry, lubricated, greased and change the oil and filters in accordance with the operator's manual. If a part wears out or breaks, replace it immediately and check the tightness of the fasteners every now and then.

One more thing. Don't buy this Deere from Lowes or any other big box store. Find your local Deere dealer and buy it from him. He will return your kindness by supporting you when you need parts and advice. The idiots at big box stores don't know their *** from their elbow about these tractors nor do they carry parts or do repairs. It's a Deere. Deal with a Deere dealer. It's the smart thing to do, even if you have to drive a bit out of your way to do so. Sooner or later, you're going to need that dealer, no matter what.
 
I agree completely about staying away from a big box. They just don't understand that service is important.

Time-wise, there's just not that much difference between a 48" deck and a 54" deck. The most important thing is timely maintenance. Keep the machine clean, dry, lubricated, greased and change the oil and filters in accordance with the operator's manual. If a part wears out or breaks, replace it immediately and check the tightness of the fasteners every now and then.

One more thing. Don't buy this Deere from Lowes or any other big box store. Find your local Deere dealer and buy it from him. He will return your kindness by supporting you when you need parts and advice. The idiots at big box stores don't know their *** from their elbow about these tractors nor do they carry parts or do repairs. It's a Deere. Deal with a Deere dealer. It's the smart thing to do, even if you have to drive a bit out of your way to do so. Sooner or later, you're going to need that dealer, no matter what.
 
The dealer will tell you that ya get whatcha pay for. If you want a tractor that you can hand down to your kids in 20 years, you probably don't want the LA.

It isn't about what the dealer will tell you, it's about how much tractor the OP TRULY needs for the chores around his property. I don't buy a tandem Kenworth dump truck to do the job that a F-250 Ford pickup will handle.

The only thing the OP will be handing down to his kid in 20 years will be a worn out machine in bad need of a total restoration. In the interim, he will have ****** away fifty grand by listening to the self-serving dealer and bad advice from people who are all too willing to spend money that doesn't belong to them.

The LA-145 will easily last him ten years if it is looked after properly but if you have some solid evidence to the contrary, then put it forward now so we can all examine it.

I cannot predict what is going to happen in the lawn tractor biz over the next 20 years but my guess is that it will be so different from today, it will be shocking. Pollution standards are going to tighten dramatically and fuel will continue to rise in price, as well. Right now, we are seeing billions of dollars being invested in hybrid auto development and in battery design development. It may well be that by 2028, gasoline powered tractors of this size will no longer be produced and all of the existing machines will be legislated out of use.

At the speed at which things are evolving, the above is not beyond the realm of possibility.
 
CRAP. The Lowes/Home depot models are CRAP. Brother in law bought one, and had so many issues that JD bought it back from him for close to the purchase price. If you have a 1/2 acre yard, go for it I suppose. Notice on JDparts that there is a separate section for "Tractors sold at home depot" i.e. CRAP. They are green, shiny and have cool decals. If curb appeal for the nieghbors benefit is what you are after, it would probably fit that bill.
 
CRAP. The Lowes/Home depot models are CRAP. Brother in law bought one, and had so many issues that JD bought it back from him for close to the purchase price. If you have a 1/2 acre yard, go for it I suppose. Notice on JDparts that there is a separate section for "Tractors sold at home depot" i.e. CRAP. They are green, shiny and have cool decals. If curb appeal for the nieghbors benefit is what you are after, it would probably fit that bill.

I suppose that you're one of those people who believe that HD and Lowes get shipped tractors from a secret factory that only supplies this end of the market.

If so, here's a bulletin for you. All LA- series tractors are made BY John Deere in a plant owned and operated by John Deere and then they are ALL shipped to Deere dealers all over the USA and Canada for unpacking and pre-delivery service prior to being delivered to the various HD and Lowes dealers in that area. Deere dealers get paid by Deere for doing this.

And Deere dealers sell the EXACT same tractor that Lowe's and HD does. Should there be a problem with that tractor, then it's the local Deere dealer that does the warranty work.

The inference by this poster is that Deere produces an inferior product with this tractor line. If that was true, why is it that Lowes and Home Depot are not abandoning them? No retailer will continue to sell products that give them unhappy customers. It's just bad business to do so.

I cannot comment on what happened with V-max's BIL but notice that this is not first-hand information? It's known as heresay and heresay cannot be relied upon as factual.
 
If his BIL is anything like GunBoy/AKA DorkMan, my BIL, he could demolish a brick crapper and then blame it on the place he ate at. My BIL is one for the books. The best story is when he got his 2210 stuck in some mud, used a chain wrapped around the tread of the rear tire to try and un-stick it and then tore up the wheel and tire. He tried to blame the problem on JD. The dealer didn't buy it, to their credit. I'm not even going to start the story of DorkMan, a step ladder, and his FEL. Let's just say if I had a video camera, I would now have the cash for a Caterpiller tractor several times over.

I cannot comment on what happened with V-max's BIL but notice that this is not first-hand information? It's known as heresay and heresay cannot be relied upon as factual.
 
hmm, I have a couple neighbors with the "HomeDepot" JD's neither have had any problems with their mowers, other than my next door neighbor put gas in his when he first got it that had been sitting outside and it had water in it. Dealer came out, found the problem, drained and put good gas in all for free.
 
I agree completely about staying away from a big box. They just don't understand that service is important.
Sad but true. More importantly though, they are totally out of their league with these tractors because they are not equipped to service them nor do they have trained staff to carry it out. They have to rely upon the local dealer totally and since he is running a competing business, guess who's customers get the preferential treatment?

Of course, business is business, no matter which direction it comes from but why should a dealer bend over backward to support some unknown HD customer over the more savvy customer who came into his showroom and bought the tractor directly off of him? If I was that dealer, I'd be keeping my customer's happy first, so that they come back to ME and buy a snowblower, blade, weights, chains etc because I looked after them quickly.
 
If you were worried about an X300 being inadequate, run as fast as you can away from anything green and yellow at the big box.

This is not to knock anybody with an "L" series machine, just an illustration of getting what you pay for.

1) You will be serviced by a dealer anyway.

2) The dealer will not be undersold by the big box.

3) There is nothing holding up the steering shaft on the L series
but a round hole in the plastic console. No metal frame or bearing.

4) The front axle is known to snap due to it's thin web cross section.

5) There are bushings in the rims rather than wheel bearings.

6) The engine is not nearly as good as the Kawasaki engines in the X series machines.

I could go on all day. Get the strongest machine you can afford with the widest deck to cut the 2 acres. It keeps the running hours low because it runs less hours over time to do the same job.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd get a real clean GT245 for the price I paid for the X300, and still have something equal to an X500 for 1/2 the money.

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:Stop: Stay out of the box stores when it comes to tractors. Caseguytoo always makes good points but I would at the very least get the x300. Spend now or spend later, your call.

After all that great information the members gave you, then you get the bottom rung JD.:fing20:
 
Kind of boils down to this. If you think an entry level tractor whether it's a JD or some other brand will get you what you want go for it. Design life is around 500 hours of operation on all entry level units. Average home owner use is around 50 hours a year. My personal experience with entry level tractors lasting the 500 hours you might as well flip a coin. You got about a 50/50 chance. As with anything doing the proper maintenance will give you a better chance of anything lasting. Good luck slkpk
 
Is it just me or does someone here remind you of Cliff Claven from Cheers?:sidelaugh :sidelaugh slkpk
 
As the owner of the first model year x300, I will tell you, I got a great machine for 2779. What is different now is they have a 12 volt outlet and a four year warranty. I don't care about a dang outlet, but a four year warranty adds more peace to anyone's mind. Not that you'll need it. Mine's going on year three and has never had a problem.
 
Kind of boils down to this. If you think an entry level tractor whether it's a JD or some other brand will get you what you want go for it. Design life is around 500 hours of operation on all entry level units. Average home owner use is around 50 hours a year. My personal experience with entry level tractors lasting the 500 hours you might as well flip a coin. You got about a 50/50 chance. As with anything doing the proper maintenance will give you a better chance of anything lasting. Good luck slkpk

OK, Cliff here. LOL

I just love taking guys like you to task over such statements. You can start by telling me and everyone else on this board where you get this "500 hours of operation on all entry level units" figure.

As for the opine concerning an entry level tractor "lasting" 500 hours, kindly expand what "lasting" actually means. Do you mean to tell us that these machines are all built like the wonderfull "one hoss shay" that Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote about in his poem? That shay was built to have a 100 year lifespan to the day.

Here's two brief excerpts.

For the wheels were just as strong as the thills
And the floor was just as strong as the sills,
And the panels just as strong as the floor,
And the whippletree neither less or more,
And the back-crossbar as strong as the fore,
And the spring and axle and hub encore.
And yet, as a whole, it is past a doubt
In another hour it will be worn out!


What do you think the parson found,
When he got up and stared around?
The poor old chaise in a heap or mound,
As if it had been to the mill and ground!
You see, of course, if you're not a dunce,
How it went to pieces all at once, --
All at once, and nothing first, --
Just as bubbles do when they burst.

End of the wonderful one-hoss shay.
Logic is logic. That's all I say.

--Oliver Wendell Holmes


So, by your logic, the LA-145 will end up in a heap or mound as if it had been to the mill and ground. I don't think so.

C'mon. Give us a break. I don't care what you buy, it is going to need to be maintained and part of that maintenance involves replacing worn parts. So what if the front wheels have nylon bushings. They're really easy and cheap to replace. Millions upon millions of tractors have been made with those bushings and have given stellar service in spite of it. Engine manufacturers make different lines to suit the product.

I agree with your 50 hour average per year statement and I have remarked twice about maintenance being an important issue. At 50 hours average, the tractor (according to you) is a ten year unit. Cost of ownership in capital cost writedown is $200.00 per year if the tractor has zero value at the ten year mark.

The engine will likely be at its half-life point, if cared for properly because there is no reason why you cannot get a 1000 hours of use out of one.

To me, this is financial decision. If you have money to burn, then go buy a Kubota for $14,000.00. Why screw around with these lowly gas engined wannabee's when you can own a real tractor?

The OP has told you what he is going to do with what he buys. A two acre property is nothing for a 48" deck nor is pulling a cart around beyond the capability of even an LA-100.

If you guys are going to come on here and give advice then back it up with facts instead of perpetuating all the myths and ******** that always seem to permeate forums like this one.

If the Deere LA line was half as bad as you nay-sayers think it is, then Deere would have either dropped it totally or redesigned it. The funny part here is that I have heard reports from people who have decided to sell their L or LA tractor and had people clamoring for it. There is no doubt in my mind that green and yellow paint sells, both in new form and in used. Just look at the size of this forum compared to the others.
 
I have a used $700 mower, and a new $3000 mower, which I didn't pay full price for. I think that the $700 mower will be running when the $3000 mower is dust. By saying that, I imply that it seems some can only justify the high cost of their decisions by belittling the lower priced mowers. For a 1 acre or less, flat, yard, I can't imagine why even a Murray wouldn't last forever.

I just can't imagine why a Lowes or HD sold mower wouldn't give many, many years of good service, if taken care of. Even if it only lasted half as long, you could still afford another one, and not come close to the price of a new X model, no? Just my thoughts. Best -
 
I still say if you must have green and yellow paint, in this scene three choices:

1) A low hour clean GT245 - Like an X500 with an X300 price tag.:trink40:

2) X300 - The best buy in the X300 series line, 4 year warranty:beatdeadh

3) X500 - The best buy in the X500 series line, if you must Jones up the place.:hide:

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Lots of great insights. I appreciate the information and the candor with which it was delivered. Again, I want to remind you all of how valuable this forum is to new guys like myself. I may wind up with the x500 with HDAP tires added. It will look good in front of the house. Ha ha. But either way I go, at least now I am an informed consumer. I will be flying over to the mainland Tue or Wed to see the x300 and x500. I suspect about 30 seconds after doing so, I will be able to make my mind up. I have seen the LA models at Lowes already. But never set eyes (or my rump) on a x series. Either way, I am looking forward to getting some green and yellow. Thanks guys!
 
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