What's my 4410 Worth?

PsRumors · Jul 17, 2005

I bought this last year. It has 130 hours on it. It is the eHydro with automotive style cruise. I had the telescoping lift bars added and the marker light gaurds installed. All service has been done per the book and everything works as it should. It has been kept in doors when not in use. There are some scratches from use but nothing major. The loader is a 430. There is 1 year left on the warranty. What would be a good price?

JDFANATIC · Jul 17, 2005

ps,

I'd say about $19K. Why are you selling it?

Cheers

JDFANATIC
JD2210

mark777 · Jul 17, 2005

Man, I would hate to guess....I can't even find one in the blue book or machinerylink.com. It's a beautiful tractor, can't believe your selling it. Gonna get a bigger one??

Mark

***edit*** Yeah...I was thinking $18.5K - $20K, somewhere in there. I was afraid to say it until you put up 19K.

sixchows · Jul 17, 2005

What did it list for new? I'd have a REAL hard time parting with that!

PsRumors · Jul 17, 2005

It listed for over $25,000 if I remember correctly. John Deere still shows the tractor listing for $22,242 plus tax. I can't find and don't remember what the 430 loader cost but say $3000 list is probably on the low side.

I don't want to sell it but we are wanting to do an addition to the house and this and my equipment (post hole digger, tiller, grooming mower, bush hog, scrape blade) will pay for about half of it. I guess I have to have priorities.

JDFANATIC · Jul 17, 2005

ps,

BTW, I pulled that number out of machinefinder.com where they had a 100 hr. machine, eHydro, MFWD, with a loader for that price. Good luck with the priorities; I'd figure a way to keep/get both!

Cheers

JDFANATIC
JD2210

jdkubotamurray · Jul 17, 2005

That series has been substantially upgraded with larger engines/more HP, I'd say if you can get over 15K and you have plans for a larger machine you'd be doing fine.

Guest · Jul 17, 2005

Wow Ron! You don't hardly have that machine broke in yet! :fing20: The prices I see being suggested are "on the lot prices" I am not saying that you won't get that but a dealer typically prices a used machine about $1,500 higher than what a private individual would.

You can try pricing it at $19,500 which seems to be the high end of dealer pricing but be willing to haggle that price down when push comes to shove. Also a lot depends on the particular area and its demand for such a machine. Might be a good demand in your area.

Considering that a new 4410 equipped like yours can be had for around $21,500 to $22,500; Between $15,000 and $17,000 would not be out of consideration. You could probably make a package deal figuring around 65% to 75% of the cost you paid for the implements.

I really hate to see you sell the machine especially since you like it and it does what you need so well. I am sure you realize the huge hit you will take in value. Very similar to buying a used car and selling it a year later.

REAL glad to hear you are selling it due to expanding the house vs a divorce or other negative event. I hope I am not the bearer of bad news, just wanted to put the reality of a the current market out there.

Archdean · Jul 17, 2005

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Wow Ron! You don't hardly have that machine broke in yet! :fing20: The prices I see being suggested are "on the lot prices" I am not saying that you won't get that but a dealer typically prices a used machine about $1,500 higher than what a private individual would.

You can try pricing it at $19,500 which seems to be the high end of dealer pricing but be willing to haggle that price down when push comes to shove. Also a lot depends on the particular area and its demand for such a machine. Might be a good demand in your area.

Considering that a new 4410 equipped like yours can be had for around $21,500 to $22,500; Between $15,000 and $17,000 would not be out of consideration. You could probably make a package deal figuring around 65% to 75% of the cost you paid for the implements.

I really hate to see you sell the machine especially since you like it and it does what you need so well. I am sure you realize the huge hit you will take in value. Very similar to buying a used car and selling it a year later.

REAL glad to hear you are selling it due to expanding the house vs a divorce or other negative event. I hope I am not the bearer of bad news, just wanted to put the reality of a the current market out there.

Randy, you just about nailed that right on the ole noggin!! Ron what part of the country are you trying to sell it it in and what dealers are within 100 miles of you as tractor buyers will travel that distance easily just to kick tires!!

Put the thing on E-BAY along with your pics and a photo of your maint. record!!

Somebody like me will probably transport it for you (depends on area of course) for little or nothing!!

I too hate to see you sell it! Perhaps one of the MTF guys will buy it, if it were orange Id buy it myself but you wouldn't like the offer!!

An afterthought, If it's financed check to see if the loan is assumable, it might help a timid buyer!!

Best of luck!!

Durwood · Jul 17, 2005

Maybe it's just me but all i ever hear is that JD is more money but you always get it back on trade in. So, i have a hard time believing it is a $5,000.00 loss after only one year. You are talking about a 20-25% loss. An off brand wouldn't lose anymore than that, so something seems amiss to me here and i hope you get more than that out of it.

Dur

Archdean · Jul 17, 2005

Durwood said:
Maybe it's just me but all i ever hear is that JD is more money but you always get it back on trade in. So, i have a hard time believing it is a $5,000.00 loss after only one year. You are talking about a 20-25% loss. An off brand wouldn't lose anymore than that, so something seems amiss to me here and i hope you get more than that out of it.

Dur

An off brand won't even come close DUR!!
If he were trading it in on something more expensive it would bring what he wants but he isn't!!!
If it's one year old most buyers will buy new with the financing and the other spiffs offered along with the full warranty!!

Dur.. The sad truth is he will need to discount it heavily to un load it!!As a dealer will turn a new one in a heartbeat to to same guy that will consider his!!!

sixchows · Jul 17, 2005

Yeah but trade ins at a dealer are a whole different matter. The dealer may be making 50% or better on the new tractor depending on what incentives he bought it under and what has in stock as attachments bought previously at other incentives. So in theory the dealer can offer more for their own brand back on a trade and then give you alittle break on the new one, sell your old one for less than they gave you for it and still make 35-40%. They give high money back on their brand to keep that percieved value theory alive. And don't be surprised if they pull the loader off that machine and give it a nice cleaning and detailing and maybe even some paint and sell it as a demo unit for close to the original price.

Archdean · Jul 17, 2005

sixchows said:
Yeah but trade ins at a dealer are a whole different matter. The dealer may be making 50% or better on the new tractor depending on what incentives he bought it under and what has in stock as attachments bought previously at other incentives. So in theory the dealer can offer more for their own brand back on a trade and then give you alittle break on the new one, sell your old one for less than they gave you for it and still make 35-40%. They give high money back on their brand to keep that percieved value theory alive. And don't be surprised if they pull the loader off that machine and give it a nice cleaning and detailing and maybe even some paint and sell it as a demo unit for close to the original price.

Your dreams are having DREAMS sixchows!!! 50% nohow/noway!!!!!!!!!

sixchows · Jul 17, 2005

Archdean said:
Your dreams are having DREAMS sixchows!!! 50% nohow/noway!!!!!!!!!

I didn't say the final sale resulted in a 50% profit. I said that's the room they have to work with. No one wants that secret let out. That's why you see these things posted where the car dealer for example is only showing a $2500-$3000 difference between his cost and list. Do you really think any business is laying out $35,000 to make $3000?

I sell big ticket toolboxes and automotive equipment and can say for sure sometimes I have a 50-60% markup to work on.

Another example is this new employee discount thing. The cars are reduced by something like $8-$10,000 and the companies are still making a profit and anothe r fact is the employees are still getting them for less!

Guest · Jul 17, 2005

sixchows said:
Yeah but trade ins at a dealer are a whole different matter. The dealer may be making 50% or better on the new tractor depending on what incentives he bought it under and what has in stock as attachments bought previously at other incentives. So in theory the dealer can offer more for their own brand back on a trade and then give you alittle break on the new one, sell your old one for less than they gave you for it and still make 35-40%. They give high money back on their brand to keep that percieved value theory alive. And don't be surprised if they pull the loader off that machine and give it a nice cleaning and detailing and maybe even some paint and sell it as a demo unit for close to the original price.

I am not trying to be a party pooper or negative; just present a realistic scenario. I hope Ron can get top dollar for his machine and hopefully he will. Right now MANY manufacturers are just not moving product like they want and are offering big discounts and even employee discounts.

John Deere does NOT have a 50% price margin figured into its equipment. It is more like 25% and you will be lucky to get 15% and maybe 20% on aged inventory. Deere has about 15% mark up on implements.

Below are some examples of pricing that most folks are NOT aware of and probably will NEVER get. This is federal, state, and municipal contract pricing. Deere still makes money but not that much. They make up for it more in volume of sales in this case.

In this case a 4410 costs the state about $15,697.66. The federal govt. will get an even better price. One of my jobs while on active duty was Division Aviation Maintenance Contracting Officer. I contracted with Deere for 15 4710's at about $16,000 each. Deere doesn't make a huge profit here but they more than make up for it in fleet parts and maintenance sales; not to mention that it is the ultimate advertising when Uncle Sam goes with your color equipment. Here is another link to state pricing.

http://www.dot.state.mn.us/equipment/contracts/tr_cpt_utl____shrt%20version/jd%204000%20series.pdf

Again I wish Ron all the best but was being the devils advocate to illustrate the potentail scenario's.

Archdean · Jul 17, 2005

sixchows said:
I didn't say the final sale resulted in a 50% profit. I said that's the room they have to work with. No one wants that secret let out. That's why you see these things posted where the car dealer for example is only showing a $2500-$3000 difference between his cost and list. Do you really think any business is laying out $35,000 to make $3000?

I sell big ticket toolboxes and automotive equipment and can say for sure sometimes I have a 50-60% markup to work on.

Another example is this new employee discount thing. The cars are reduced by something like $8-$10,000 and the companies are still making a profit and anothe r fact is the employees are still getting them for less!

Well tool boxes and etc. might be but Tractors and Autos sure as **** don't !!!!!!!!!!! 12 % tops with some hold back is possible perhaps with some slow moving models!!

Get your facts straight please!!!! Furniture and Jewelry can be as high as 300% but heavy iron IS NOT tool boxes/wrenches/screwdrivers,furniture or jewelery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sixchows · Jul 17, 2005

So you really think that chevy dealer down the road is only making $3000 on a 2005 tahoe? How could anybody be in business? Figure in the costs of just opening the door. If you have a building you are either paying the rent or lease and real estate taxes. Add on corp taxes, unemployment taxes, utilities, supplies, parts inventory, saleries for sales staff, techs, and whoever else, insurance costs, open acccounts to suppliers who will cut you off when a second payment is missed (maybe even the first) you would need to sell how tractors a week?

Nobody is working on 15-20% in any business and surviving especially if they have any of these operating costs.

sixchows · Jul 17, 2005

Oh and one more thing, no one is disclosing their actual cost to anybody including the gov't agencies looking to buy. Why do you think all these companies are getting caught up in fraud? Most can't afford to show what is real and still turn a profit.

Archdean · Jul 17, 2005

sixchows said:
So you really think that chevy dealer down the road is only making $3000 on a 2005 tahoe? How could anybody be in business? Figure in the costs of just opening the door. If you have a building you are either paying the rent or lease and real estate taxes. Add on corp taxes, unemployment taxes, utilities, supplies, parts inventory, saleries for sales staff, techs, and whoever else, insurance costs, open acccounts to suppliers who will cut you off when a second payment is missed (maybe even the first) you would need to sell how tractors a week?

Nobody is working on 15-20% in any business and surviving especially if they have any of these operating costs.

It will suffice to say that you are ill-informed!! Sorry but your trade is not transferable!!:fing20:

Guest · Jul 17, 2005

Six, auto manufacturers sell hundreds of millions of vehicles. Nearly everyone of age has one. Not so with a tractor. I'm not saying Ron won't get a better price........just laying out the spectrum.

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