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I have a 1994 JD 425 AWD with a Kawasaki 20hp engine.

I had the cam shaft (plastic gear) and valves replaced by a JD dealer after an engine failure (plastic cam gear broken). Was told then there was oil blow-by, but they didn't repair bottom end engine at their facility and I would need to take it elsewhere.

I finally got tired of the oil usage and carboned spark plug, so I pulled the engine and tore it down to replace the rings. I bought a kit with gaskets, seals, camshaft, pistons and rings...no valves, springs or pushrods.
I didn't pay attention to the pushrods when I pulled the head.

The issue: With the engine at (TDC) top dead center, I Installed the valve pushrod on #2 cylinder head, after seating the pushrod in the the solid lifter, it falls out of the of the rocker cup. If I turn the crank 180 degrees it will stay in, but with a full turn it falls out again.

Checks/ balances: With all things being equal, I switched the original pushrods, rockers, springs, and new camshaft with the same results. I checked the head for flatness, flatness of the pushrods, and measured the springs for free length. There is not enough thread on the rocker screw to adjust. The pushrod appears to be approximately 1/8 to 1/4" short of seating into the rocker.

The engine tag is missing, so I don't know what series of FD620D it is. I have contacted Kawasaki and John Deere, but they couldn't help.

Has anyone seen anything like this or have some opinions?
 
Discussion starter · #5 ·
Did you replace the lifters, and if so, are they the same length?

Are the base circles of the cam lobes the same as the one you removed?
I did not replace with new lifters, just moved the original lifters around. I thought the same thing about the cam lobe, but the new one that came with the kit was in the same position with the same results.
 
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Is it possible the tips of the adjusters are worn to the point that they cannot be properly adjusted? Just thinking out loud. That free space had to come from somewhere! Lol
I know, right. I swapped the rockers, valves and springs. The compressed valve spring height measures same on all 4. This is the strangest thing I've ever seen.
 
Discussion starter · #9 ·
I removed all the valves and cleaned them and the heads up, even swapped the valve with the other intake. Ran a thin feeler gauge around the bore with valve closed, no gap. Used a high intensity light in a dark room, saw no light.
 
I hope it didn't fall into the crank case. My very first rebuild was my dad's JD 440 crawler two cylinder gas engine. The oil pan was either a very heavy stamping, or it was a cast pan held on by about 6.5 million bolts. That is where I learned to never button up the bottom end until all top side stuff is accounted for, replaced, and secure.

One push rod missed the lifter and disappeared into the oil drain hole. Almost an hour of pan bolts coming off, then back on, taught me a good lesson. That was 54 years ago but I can still hear the "thunk".
 
Too funny, I agree. I haven't put the front cover back on and I won't until I find a resolution to this issue.
You won't be able to adjust the valves properly without the cover installed. The cover has a bearing journal to support the one end of the cam. Otherwise it droops a little. Either way you won't get them adjusted right.

Or maybe I misread something.👍
 
Discussion starter · #17 ·
Sorry, I should have clarified. I did install the front pan, but didn't bolt it down (to save to gasket). With the crank gear supporting the cam gear (for the most part), putting the cover on didn't make any difference.
 
I'm having a hard time visualizing what is going on here. If you install the pushrods with the cylinder at TDC on the compression stroke and roughly set the lash, then do a full revolution on the crank, you will be at the top of the exhaust stroke, depending on the cam valve timing, both valves should be at least partially open.

Are you installing the pushrod at the top of the compression or exhaust stroke?

The only other options that I see are that you've wiped a lobe off the cam (but it's new), you have a sticking valve or there is an assembly error on the valves.

Some pictures or a video would be helpful.
 
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