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MNJDF

Discussion Starter · Jan 22, 2012

Just out of curiosity, besides engine power and engine type, gas or diesel, what are the differences between these 4 tractors? Does 4 HP make a huge difference?

:thanku:

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UrbanTractor

· #2 · Jan 22, 2012

John Deere Fan said:
Just out of curiosity, besides engine power and engine type, gas or diesel, what are the differences between these 4 tractors? Does 4 HP make a huge difference?

:thanku:

If I recall correctly:

X465= air cooled/carb/2wd
X475= liquid cooled/carb/2wd
X485= liquid cooled/fuel injection/2wd
X495= liquid cooled/diesel/2wd

Personally, in a machine of this caliber, I would want a liquid cooled engine, and probably fuel injection. But I might even consider the x465 if I lived in a cooler climate.

Sergeant

· #3 · Jan 22, 2012

UrbanTractor said:
If I recall correctly:

X465= air cooled/carb/2wd
X475= liquid cooled/carb/2wd
X485= liquid cooled/fuel injection/2wd
X495= liquid cooled/diesel/2wd

Personally, in a machine of this caliber, I would want a liquid cooled engine, and probably fuel injection. But I might even consider the x465 if I lived in a cooler climate.

And all of the above X400 series could also Be Had In All Wheel Steer as well :thThumbsU

UrbanTractor

· #4 · Jan 22, 2012

Sergeant said:
And all of the above X400 series could also Be Had In All Wheel Steer as well :thThumbsU

Good point, Sergeant!!

When I posted above, I almost added: "But wait to hear what Sergeant has to say first!" :thanku:

Beech33

· #5 · Jan 22, 2012

Also, the X485 and X495 came standard with the Hydraulic Control Valve manifold.
The Hydraulic Control Valve can be added to the X465/X475.

wizzo

· #6 · Jan 22, 2012

I bet that all of the above are monster machines and you can't go wrong with any one!

Sergeant

· #7 · Jan 22, 2012

Forgot one More thing The X465 could Not Take the 45loader Interfered with Cooling of the Air Cooled engine But It could Take the Older 40 Loader for the JD 425 thru 455:thThumbsU

D-Dogg

· #8 · Jan 22, 2012

And why is the x465 the red-headed stepchild of that series? Was it the air-cooled engine?

I don't think I've ever seen an owner of one post here.

POENY

· #9 · Jan 22, 2012

John Deere Fan said:
Just out of curiosity, besides engine power and engine type, gas or diesel, what are the differences between these 4 tractors? Does 4 HP make a huge difference?

:thanku:

Take a look at the attachments in this post for a little more detail on the X400/X500/X700 series of tractors (not to be confused with the current X500 series). :fing32:
http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=164399&p=1753688

POENY

· #10 · Jan 22, 2012

D-Dogg said:
And why is the x465 the red-headed stepchild of that series? Was it the air-cooled engine?

I don't think I've ever seen an owner of one post here.

According to the What X series Super GT do you own? poll there are a couple of them out there owned by AnotherHickey and Deereman76.

Deereman76

· #11 · Jan 22, 2012

D-Dogg said:
And why is the x465 the red-headed stepchild of that series? Was it the air-cooled engine?

I don't think I've ever seen an owner of one post here.

I don't really know why the x465 was always looked down appon. I think it's a great little tractor, it has never had any engine problems and it is going on 1,000 hours. When I bought my x485 all I noticed was it was much quieter and didn't give the black puff of smoke on start up.

Deereman

Sergeant

· #12 · Jan 22, 2012 (Edited)

Deereman76 said:
I don't really know why the x465 was always looked down appon. I think it's a great little tractor, it has never had any engine problems and it is going on 1,000 hours. When I bought my x485 all I noticed was it was much quieter and didn't give the black puff of smoke on start up.

Deereman

If it could have taken a 45loader I would Have Bought a X465 instead of a X485 Back in 2002/2003 when I was Looking at replacing my JD 425 I contacted Deere Was told the 45loader Interfered with Cooling the Engine But the 40loader Could Be used Instead Which I already Had On the 425. But Because I wanted the Newer sub frame of the 45 I went with the X485 and since I had to get a Liquid Cooled Model I figure why not Get Electronic Fuel Injection as well. The X465 was actually Cheaper than the GX335 with a 54inch deck which was $7,499 the X465 was $7,470 at MSRP not Including deck in 2003 But add 1,229 for a 54inch deck. $8,669 at MSRP was Only $20 more Than a GX355 with a 54inch deck. I really believe if the X465 Had Taken a 45loader it would have Outsold the X475 and You Might have Had the X700 Model Being a Air Cooled Model Then The X720 Being Carbureted and Finally You Might have Had say a X725 Being EFI Or Today since Most of the X500 series is Air Cooled. A air cooled X700 series Might Be a Popular Model. I think some saw the X465 as Being a step down Because of the Lack of Liquid cooling at the time Myself somewhere down the road Maybe another 5 to 6 years when the X465 is In the Cheaper Range of say in the High 2to 3 Thousand On EBay or Craig’s List I would consider Buying One Just to add to My collection Because It will be One of the Rare Models Like the Deere 120, 208 or 200 are:thThumbsU

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Deereman76

· #13 · Jan 22, 2012

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Here are some pictures of my X465...

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MNJDF

Discussion Starter · #14 · Jan 22, 2012

Thanks for all the replys! I am surprised how different these models are. I agree in that the x465 is rare. You look on eBay and Craigslist and machine finder and there is next to nothing. Not to change the subject, but is the diesel that much more work to maintain? I mean you are going to have to clean a gas tractor too if you want it to run for years. Seems like disels start nicely in the winter just like a gas model does and you get a little more torque for blowing snow or whatever. Again thanks for all the replys! :thThumbsU

Deereman76

· #15 · Jan 22, 2012

John Deere Fan said:
Thanks for all the replys! I am surprised how different these models are. I agree in that the x465 is rare. You look on eBay and Craigslist and machine finder and there is next to nothing. Not to change the subject, but is the diesel that much more work to maintain? I mean you are going to have to clean a gas tractor too if you want it to run for years. Seems like disels start nicely in the winter just like a gas model does and you get a little more torque for blowing snow or whatever. Again thanks for all the replys! :thThumbsU

If I were to do it all again I would get two diesels, and with 4-Wheel drive. After seeing all the stuff on here of people blowing snow without weights and chains with the 4-wheel drive models it really is impressive. Back to the subject, I think the diesels put out more torque, which would be nice with blowing, mowing and pulling trees like I do. Just my 2 cents.

Deereman

UrbanTractor

· #16 · Jan 22, 2012

Diesel power and durability is fantastic, and they are no more difficult (probably easier) to maintain than gas.

That said, any of these X4x5, X5x5, X7xx models are great machines. A liquid cooled, 4WD/AWD/AWS Diesel would be my preference, but I wouldn't scoff at any one of them. When you're shopping the used market, sometimes you have to be more flexible on which model you'll take due to availability.

Heck, my little single cylinder, 8 hp, air-cooled 110 impresses me. Any X machine is light years beyond.

MNJDF

Discussion Starter · #17 · Jan 22, 2012

I ask that question about diesels because of the additives in winter. Do you need them? Wat exactly do they do?

Sergeant

· #18 · Jan 22, 2012

John Deere Fan said:
Thanks for all the replys! I am surprised how different these models are. I agree in that the x465 is rare. You look on eBay and Craigslist and machine finder and there is next to nothing. Not to change the subject, but is the diesel that much more work to maintain? I mean you are going to have to clean a gas tractor too if you want it to run for years. Seems like disels start nicely in the winter just like a gas model does and you get a little more torque for blowing snow or whatever. Again thanks for all the replys! :thThumbsU

One of the reasons I didn't go with diesel as well at the time was where tractor was stored In the winter it had No Power going to it and I didn't feel Like Leaving a extension cord going out to the shed Just to run a engine Coolant Heater. But Now that I keep it In the Garage in the winter a X495 would Have Been Nice But at that Price I Might as well Bought a X585 in 4 wheel drive and Then I would Have really felt Like I wasted Money Because I really can’t Justify 4WD for my 5.5 acres Because I have Only Needed Diff/lock Once and that wasn’t In the winter either in almost 9 years of Use :thThumbsU

POENY

· #19 · Jan 22, 2012

Deereman76 said:
Here are some pictures of my X465...

Looks good. :thanku:For the pics!

How is the transaxle fluid cooled? Is there an electric fan?:dunno:

fac

· #20 · Jan 22, 2012

John Deere Fan said:
I ask that question about diesels because of the additives in winter. Do you need them? Wat exactly do they do?

The additives have two main purposes. The first is anti-gel. The wax like substances in straight #2 diesel will start to solidify as the temp drops. When this happens the fuel filter plugs up and the engine stops. At this point you will either need to get the machine into a warm place to thaw out or add some of the 911 products. In either case you will probably end up having to change out the fuel filter. In colder areas the fuel suppliers will start preparing their fuel for winter based on the local weather so in ideal conditions you, as the end user, would not need to do anything. However, this does not solve the problem where you bought a 5 gal can of fuel in Sept and are still using it in January.

The second purpose is for lubricity. The fuel itself is the lubricant for the injector pump. Due to environmental regs the suppliers have been reducing the amount of sulpher in the fuel because sulpher contributes to NOx and particulates in the exhaust. The current sulpher standard is 15 PPM (aka ULSD). The problem with this is that the process to remove the sulpher also reduces the lubricating qualities of the fuel. The supplier is supposed to mitigate this by using an additive package at the tank farm or bulk rack. In the ideal case you as the end user should not have to worry about this either.

Having said all of that, I am not willing to put my faith in the supplier actualy adding their additive package when dealing with my very expensive to repair/replace injector pump and injectors. I generally use enough fuel that using fuel purchased in Sept in January is not a problem

In short, I run additives year round in my tractors (big and little), diesel PU and TDI Jetta year round for the lubrication side of the question.

FWIW - Frank

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