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What's Old is New (to me)

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At the end of last winter I noticed that the bottom of the impeller housing on our little Craftsman had rotted through. No good. Still deciding what to do with it. Ideally, I'd like to find a new front end for it since the engine and drive system are perfectly fine, and it just got new belts, cables, and handlebars last year. I might see if it can get a plate welded to it until I can acquire a new blower housing.

That said, I've been yearning for an older snowblower, particularly a Simplicity because they look cool. :p

Its tricky since I don't have a vehicle to fit it in, but last week I came across one for sale for $50 only 20 minutes away. I was able to get a friend with a truck to come help me. Glad he came along since this weighs the better part of a ton!

What I've got is a 1972 Simplicity Sno Away S4. Its single stage, not the paddle style two stage like I've been looking for, but it looks cool all the same and it is indeed built like a Panzer tank.

It's also in super good shape as far as I can tell, besides the fuel tank, which I'll get to.







Its very solid, in fact it looks dirty more than anything, but the paint seems like its in decent shape. The only surface rust I can really see so far is in front of the chute. The tires are in good shape and they have chains of them. Most of all, its a complete unit. No missing parts!

Now I need to get it running. The first problem I ran into was the fuel tank. It had old gas in it which had completely rusted the inside of the tank.



I know its hard to see, but the tank was very scaly inside. I didn't know if it was even salvageable. I've never really tried removing rust from a gas tank, but since I have no spare parts for this machine or engine, I figured I'd give it a try.

I did some research on how to remove rust from a fuel tank and found that there's a few methods to doing this. The most common one is using small rocks, a chain, or ball bearing, putting them in the tank and shaking the tank vigorously to break the rust loose. However, this would only break loose the rust not remove all of it, plus then you have to get it all out of the tank. The second moth is using a rust remover like Evapo-Rust. I've used Evapo-Rust and it works well, its also non-toxic. It has two caveats: it usually turns the metal dark gray, which isn't a huge deal, but it also takes a while to dissolve heavy rust, like 24+ hours. Then I came across a video claiming Muriatic Acid could remove all the rust in a tank in about 10 minutes and is inexpensive. I was impressed and figured it was worth a try. My local hardware store had muriatic acid, but it also had a product product called Acid Magic which claims to be safe if it makes contact with unbroken skin and doesn't off gas as much. I'm not big on using skin-melting chemicals, so I figured I'd try this one. I still used protective gear to be safe.


I filled the tank all the way up and let it sit for a half hour, drained it, then filled it about halfway and let it sit a bit longer, agitating occasionally. The difference is incredible! The tank is almost all bare metal inside with only a few small black spots remaining. I couldn't believe how well it worked.

After dumping all of the chemical out, I rinsed it with water and then gasoline several time, finishing with a 2cycle gas/oil mix that I put in, sloshed around to coat everything, then dumped out. This is to prevent the tank from flash rusting.

Here is the end result:



I cleaned up the carburetor and replaced the diaphragm. I may have to remove it and clean it again though. I'm at the point where if I choke it and attempted to cold start it, the snowblower will start briefly then quit. I had the devil's own job of putting all of the linkage back in place. Seriously, these old engines have linkages for their linkages!

It's hard to keep trying to get it running though, as the rope stopped retracting. I figured the recoil spring had broken, but it turns out the aluminum pulley broke where the spring is retained! I'll hopefully have a new one for it tomorrow.
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I was kinda mad today. I had looked up the engine and got a part number for the starter pulley. Called and had the small engine shop set it aside, grabbed it after work, got home, took the blower housing off, only to discover that the new pulley is way to big! By then I didn't have time to go back to the shop before they closed, so now it will have to wait until tomorrow. >:/

With that plan down the drain, I decided to pull the carburetor and go through it again. I had forgot to remove the jet and clean it, so I figured I might as well go over it again. Turns out I missed some passages and by the time I was done I had a brown stained carb spray on the rag under the carburetor. Hopefully it will start and run this time. Since I wasn't going to be able to try tonight, instead I cleaned off the tank, cap air filter housing, and breather rube then paint them with engine paint. I'll have some photos tomorrow but the parts look so much better now. I plan to paint the blower housing too once the pulley is reinstalled and the machine is running.
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I discovered there was still some rust at the top of the tank and it was flaking off, so I used WD-40 Rust Remover (similar product to Evapo-Rust) and soaked the tank overnight upside down in a bucket Rinsed it really well then put the tank and carburetor back together.





Put it back on the motor...wouldn't start. Took the new plug I had put in out and found it was black, so I cleaned it and sprayed a shot of carb spray in there. Took a while but it finally started and ran. Had to shut it off because I realized I had forgotten to tighten the carburetor mounting bolts. Oops! Started it back up and adjusted the carb, and it runs great! No smoke, and runs smooth. To my delight, everything works on it! Very happy with the results.

I cleaned it up a bit, its really not in bad shape at all, most of the paint is still decent besides in front of the chute, which I'll touch up. Going to repaint the blower housing before putting all of the covers back on. The only real problem I can see using this machine is that you have to remove the two covers to fill the gas tank, and with the gas can I have, I need to remove the filter to have barely enough room to fit the spout in. Can't have it all I guess. :p









Going to show how overbuilt these old machines are, I count three grease fittings on it. Seems like it was greased regularly as all three had grease covering the fittings.
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That's real impressive work on the fuel tank. Thanks for sharing. Also, really like to see how it performs in the snow. I'm not impressed with a lot of single stage blowers, but Simplicity made some good ones. I'll subscribe; so please post pictures or video when the snow flies.
I do love posting photos, so I'll be sure to take some more! I'm really curious to see how it does too. I've long considered single stage mowers to be cheap economy machine, but this thing is a tank and that auger looks like it means business. It also spins really fast. While I'm not looking forward to winter, I am eager to see how it works.
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Nice job...looks sharp! Good for you for taking what someone else may have junked, and getting it going. Are you planning on keeping it, or selling it (not looking to buy it, just curious :) ). Really impressed the rust came off like that.never would have thought that.

I recently got an older one going (not nearly as old as yours though!) and I'm giving it to my buddy tomorrow. Excited to see his reaction.

Anyway...I'm curious too to see how you're does in the s word (not ready to say it yet!), so keep us posted.
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Thanks! Its definitely a keeper, I love the way it looks and the way its built. I might be temped to add an S5 at some point if I can find one, but this one's definitely staying with me.

I was surprised at just how well the acid worked on that tank...in only about an hour too!

That white stuff will come sooner or later, when it does I'll be ready! I'll definitely post results.
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Tried to cold start it today, fired up on the first pull. :D

Now it just needs an oil change. Does anyone know what oil these oil Briggs engines use for winter duty? Id it 5w30?
http://www.briggsandstratton.com/la...als/Antique Manuals FAQ 3/27831A-domestic.pdf


This is a pdf of the oem manual for 60000 series engines..

Most old Briggs say on the engine tag to use 20W-20 oil and SAE 10W for summer and winter use,some also say SAE 10W diluted with 10% Kerosene can be used in "arctic" conditions..

Today you'll have a hard time finding those weights of oil--10W-30 is a good all around oil for most uses between 0 and 90 degrees,or SAE 30 in summer..
I use 15W-40 in all my air cooled engines and it is a bit "stiff" in extreme cold,but I keep my engines in a garage and let them warm up before putting loads on them..

Ask 100 people which oil is best,and you'll get 100 different answers..whats "right" is what works best for you,under the conditions your operating it at..
Some prefer synthetic,I stick with regular oil..
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:fing32: Back in the day they were pretty serious about their single stage snow throwers.
Looks like you need new shoes.
http://www.briggsandstratton.com/la...als/Antique Manuals FAQ 3/27831A-domestic.pdf


This is a pdf of the oem manual for 60000 series engines..

Most old Briggs say on the engine tag to use 20W-20 oil and SAE 10W for summer and winter use,some also say SAE 10W diluted with 10% Kerosene can be used in "arctic" conditions..

Today you'll have a hard time finding those weights of oil--10W-30 is a good all around oil for most uses between 0 and 90 degrees,or SAE 30 in summer..
I use 15W-40 in all my air cooled engines and it is a bit "stiff" in extreme cold,but I keep my engines in a garage and let them warm up before putting loads on them..

Ask 100 people which oil is best,and you'll get 100 different answers..whats "right" is what works best for you,under the conditions your operating it at..
Some prefer synthetic,I stick with regular oil..
Good info, thanks! I was thinking of using 10w30, probably what I will end up going with.

:fing32: Back in the day they were pretty serious about their single stage snow throwers.
Looks like you need new shoes.
Yeah, today's tiny single stage units pale in comparison to this beast!

Definitely needs a new set of shoes, thinking of going with these:

ARMORskids Heavy Duty Snow Blower Skid Shoe Fits 2 3/4 in. Slot Spacing-asc0275 - The Home Depot

While a field test is hopefully some ways off, I'm very happy with how it runs. I've cold started it a few times now. It starts first pull every time thus far. No smoke, no drama. Purrs like a kitten. I love how the old machines can be idled way down, newer engines seem to idle higher at their lowest throttle setting.
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Hey, those armorskids used to cost like twice that much. I should buy... oh wait, "(sold individually)" :sidelaugh
I scrapping the rust off in front of the chute, what was going to be a touch up in that area ended up with me repainting most of the bucket as well was the belt guard.









Turns out Chevrolet Orange Red is a near perfect match to the original paint. As a point of comparison, the orange part of the chute wasn't repainted just cleaned up. It's really close, I'm certainly happy with it.

Besides new skids, she's ready to tackle snow once more. Curious to see how well it performs.









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If it's worth doing, it's worth doing it right. And you did just that. Like the 'racing' stripe on the cover.

I'm seeing more and more older machines on CR up here, that won't start (presumeably old gas from last winter) either free or very short money. Luckily my pickup is out of service, so I still have some empty space in my shop. That empty space would be full if the pickup was working.
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If it's worth doing, it's worth doing it right. And you did just that. Like the 'racing' stripe on the cover.

I'm seeing more and more older machines on CR up here, that won't start (presumeably old gas from last winter) either free or very short money. Luckily my pickup is out of service, so I still have some empty space in my shop. That empty space would be full if the pickup was working.
Maybe Simplicity thought it would go faster withe the stripe. If I put a VTEC sticker on it I could get like 4 horsepower easily. :p

There's a few really old mowers I've seen go up lately, 50's and 60s/ Might pick one up just to have :)

Still keeping an eye out for a either a goo, cheap snowblower body or a blower housing that will fit the Craftsman...because snow moves even faster when you have two machines! The Craftsman rotted through the bottom of the impeller housing and the front end as a whole is quite rusty. The back half is in good shape though and everything works. Engine fired up on the first pull, as it does every year.
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If it's worth doing, it's worth doing it right. And you did just that. Like the 'racing' stripe on the cover.

I'm seeing more and more older machines on CR up here, that won't start (presumeably old gas from last winter) either free or very short money. Luckily my pickup is out of service, so I still have some empty space in my shop. That empty space would be full if the pickup was working.
I see a lot of things on craigslist I'd love to grab and haul home,but my pickup isn't really something I am willing to go very far in,having multiple things on it that could fail at any time..and it seems everything I'm interested in ,is never close by...things dissapear fast on craigslist too,and few people will "hold" anything for you,while you attempt to drive an hour or more to go get it..

I'm about "full up" as far as storage too...lately when I see something I'm tempted to go get,or buy at a flea market,yard sale,etc--I remind myself I already have dozens of "broken" things already,that I haven't yet fixed!...:dunno:

That Simplicity came out very nice...wish I had the patience and health to do something "right" like that...

I tend to just get them to run,then only fix what breaks as I use it...:(
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Nice job.:thThumbsU I would tack weld a couple of pieces of 1/8" strap iron to those skids, replace as needed. Bend the ends up to keep them from catching on anything.
Well we finally got our first measureable amount of snow, and what a mess! About 3 inches of heavy wet snow with a coating of ice on top of it. Before work I took the Simplicity for a spin. Started up and ran well. I needed to get the car out of the driveway so I tackled the mess of slush piled there courtesy of the city plows.

My initial observations are this: the machine itself seems like an excellent design, as at no point did the chute ever clog. The 2006 Craftsman 5/24 2-stage would have constantly clogged up.

However, its woefully underpowered for this stuff, as the engine stalled several times unless I literally inched forward. On the other snow/ice it was alright. Once I finished the end of the driveway Is tarted to tackle the rest of it, but then I ran out of gas. This is where the problem started.

I filled the tank with gas and went to start it, only to find it wouldn't stay running unless the choke was fully on. I put it away because I had to go to work.

I just got home a little while ago and because temperatures dropped below freezing the snow was now mainly ice. However I got the snowblower started up again, but it'll only run on full choke. I did manage to get the rest of the driveway and walkways cleared, which considering what it had to deal with was pretty impressive.

I'm just not sure why it only stays running on full choke after it ran out of fuel. Maybe the carburetor needs to be adjusted, but why would it need to be now?
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Sounds like a piece of dirt got stuck in the main jet.
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