What is a low hour 4020 worth?
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In your state, I'd value it at $1500.00 minimum. A dealer would likely be asking more than $2500.00 for it and would likely get it next spring when the market is hotter for a grass cutter. The 4020 and 4020 PS are arguably the best models produced by the old Ingersoll company. The tighter turning 4223PS may well be even better but there's a huge difference in price for a bit more HP and a smaller turning radius.
I asked an honest, sincere question.
Why do you come back with this?............
Thank you, I appreciate the good advice.
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but with that 4223PS, would it come with foot control
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Because it's chuckle-worthy and didn't hurt anyone's feelings. Lighten up.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overpriced. One is 14 model years old and the other one is 16 model years old. You can put as much lipstick on them as you wish but in the final analysis, both of them are OLD tractors. You'd have to be nuts to pay that kind of money for something that old.
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Because we have been over it several times already.
Value is dependant on a lot of different things, the condition of the machine, the location of the machine, and how badly you want the machine.
Something is worth what you are willing to pay for it, and also what you have to pay for it to call it yours.
You came here asking for us to valuate a machine, but you really didn't give us much to go on, no pictures, no description, just a model number.
Really, what did you expect?
You get the most out of this board by being active and reading the past posts and archives. You can't just expect to pop in randomly and then expect everyone to be your realtime bluebook.
The guys here are more than willing to help you, but you have to be willing to do some legwork and research on your own as well.
EDIT: Let me start over....What is the seller Asking for the tractor, that way we can tell you if it is unrealistic or not. Asking blindly like you did is not a good way to approach the seller if your offer (based on the info you get here) offends or insults the seller.
I usually like to discuss prices after the sale to determine whether a fair price was paid. If you don't have this kind of knowledge stored up in your brain and with you at all times, you stand the chance of getting taken to the cleaners, or finding a killer deal when one pops up an you need to act on it or lose out. The board is great but the time you spend here and other places will pay off when a computer isn't available.
That being said however.... I agree with Castoff on his valuation.
I recently paid $1080 for the following (not running,)
`94 4020PS 1050 Hrs
48" deck
mulch kit / gator blades/ spare blades
SB 38 Caster
front blade
3 pt hitch
rear pto
rear grader blade
factory wheel weights
FCV option
manuals
delivery !
Added a new batt / hyd hose/ deck bearings/ seat and elbow grease and it is now 100%
IMO this was a great price
EDIT: forgot the F-27 adapter !
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would you like to sell the FCV
would you like to sell the FCV
No thanks, I`d better hang on to it. :thanku:
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With the fact that power steering tractors of this vintage sell on a regular basis in the $2500 to $3500 range with 700 to 1000 hrs and next to no options I would have to say that the above quoted statement is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off base. What you do with your lipstick is your business and that should may be kept private. However everyone is entitled to their opinions no matter how wrong they are.
castoff is back to his predicted responses on tractor prices. The name
has changed but its the same old story line that had him removed from
the Case Ingersoll site. So tranparent its laughable. The tractors have
virtually gone unchanged during the time period discussed. Many including
myself value a Ingersoll in like new condition with little or no hours featuring
an Onan engine as a prize find. If I did not already have a couple of shed fulls
I would chase the deal. You can put lip stick on a swine but he is what he
is. People know your game.
has changed but its the same old story line that had him removed from
the Case Ingersoll site. So tranparent its laughable. The tractors have
virtually gone unchanged during the time period discussed. Many including
myself value a Ingersoll in like new condition with little or no hours featuring
an Onan engine as a prize find. If I did not already have a couple of shed fulls
I would chase the deal. You can put lip stick on a swine but he is what he
is. People know your game.
The primary reason that YOU disagree with my opinion on the value of those two tractors is because YOU are the OWNER of them. Right Dan? And of course, as the OWNER of them, there's zero BIAS in YOUR opinion of their value, is there?
Not revealing to everyone that you are the owner of those two tractors was just a little oversight on your part, I guess. :fing32:
Oh, and did you notice that absolutely no one said that I was incorrect or that they thought your asking price was a good deal? Hmmmm. I wonder why?
You're entitled to ask whatever you want for the items you wish to sell. I could care less. If you find someone to pay those kind of prices, then good for you and too bad for them. When someone comes on this forum and asks a question about what something is worth, then they will get replies from several members here, including myself. If you don't like those valuations, then tough. The only reason you are a member here is for your own self-serving purposes and not because you wish to be a contributor to actually help anyone out. Your track record is ample proof of my statement.
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Now Tom, don't get your undies all knotted up.:crybaby: The primary reason that I disagree with your opinion on the value of those two tractors is because you are dead wrong and have no idea what tractors have for value. If it was up to you, you would have Ingersoll paying you to take there tractors. Do you have your head in the clouds again? I am the owner of the tractors. I don't have a problem with admitting that. Most people here on this forum and other forums already know those are my tractors so I didn't think it necessary. As for self serving I believe you are the one that likes to put himself up on the soap box. As for you helping others, Well what can I say. Your the one that has such a great track record of getting banned from all the forums. By the way Tom. I didn't realize that you moved from Canada to NY or did you just say a different location to get back on here just like changing your user name after being banned? You need to take a good look in the mirror my friend. :thThumbsU
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Okay then experts. (all respect)
Why is there not some aggregate number that can be arrived at by calculating value depreciation on a tractor with a grading scale?
Anyone here a fellow numismatist? There is a very specific scale that coins are graded on based on condition/rarity that sets the market prices of them when traded amongst collectors.
If we were to start by looking at the retail price of a particular tractor, how much would that machine depreciate for every hour it was ran?
Obviously this would be a sliding scale based on the overall condition/documentation/history or each example.
A rougher tractor with no documentation would ovbiously devaluate faster per hour than a proven one owner dealer serviced newer model with all the bells and whistles. There are some possibilites and benefits in such a system.
Other things, such as cosmetics can be adjusted into the appraisal as well, based on the cost to correct such issues. This info would be invaluable to someone who just wants a working tractor, or to someone else who maybe wants a pristine collection piece...or to end up with a nice restoration.
Also a way to valuate add ons and accessories, too based on their condition and factored into the whole instead of individually (which we all know brings higher prices)
If some knowledgable folks would like to crunch this for a while and give us at least a rudementary system of calculating value, then the debate would not be necessary.
Hey, you guys know a lot more than me, you probably think I'm a loon... but it would be a great tool for the present and future of preserving the past.
Just me old opinion here, take it or leave it.
and yes...this is ON topic isn't it?
Why is there not some aggregate number that can be arrived at by calculating value depreciation on a tractor with a grading scale?
Anyone here a fellow numismatist? There is a very specific scale that coins are graded on based on condition/rarity that sets the market prices of them when traded amongst collectors.
If we were to start by looking at the retail price of a particular tractor, how much would that machine depreciate for every hour it was ran?
Obviously this would be a sliding scale based on the overall condition/documentation/history or each example.
A rougher tractor with no documentation would ovbiously devaluate faster per hour than a proven one owner dealer serviced newer model with all the bells and whistles. There are some possibilites and benefits in such a system.
Other things, such as cosmetics can be adjusted into the appraisal as well, based on the cost to correct such issues. This info would be invaluable to someone who just wants a working tractor, or to someone else who maybe wants a pristine collection piece...or to end up with a nice restoration.
Also a way to valuate add ons and accessories, too based on their condition and factored into the whole instead of individually (which we all know brings higher prices)
If some knowledgable folks would like to crunch this for a while and give us at least a rudementary system of calculating value, then the debate would not be necessary.
Hey, you guys know a lot more than me, you probably think I'm a loon... but it would be a great tool for the present and future of preserving the past.
Just me old opinion here, take it or leave it.
and yes...this is ON topic isn't it?
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Very Well Said Kungdrew.
Dan
Dan
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