Was this a good deal or what?

3987 Views 31 Replies 9 Participants Last post by Bill.H, Oct 9, 2010

Mower_Man42

Discussion Starter · Sep 17, 2010

I saw while was searching for a Case or Ingersoll tractor, the bid had been $152.50 when I first saw it on E bay. I was surprised to see it sold for the price it was let go for. I`ve seen ones like this listed on craigslist for $2500.00 plus dollars. There are over 10 picture of this Ingersoll 3016, can`t believe the owner let go for the finally bid thats listed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/case-ingersoll-...786?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3360ac0aca

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kungdrew

· #2 · Sep 17, 2010

Yes I was watching that auction too. I would have paid that much gladly but didn't feel lke driving to Chicago.

That guy sells a lot of Case and Ingersoll stuff which is a good sign that it's not junk.

He always does a good job of describing his auctions and giving pertainent information about the condition and history if known.

A lot of sellers don't know what they have or how to make sure it is comlpete and working properly.

I would say it is a safe bet to bid on his auctions in the future if he has something you like/need.

Snotrocket

· #3 · Sep 17, 2010

I think that was a great deal.

Then there's this guy who is local to me. He's obviously drunk.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1984-Case-446-Tractor-implements-/230526395764?pt=Tractors&hash=item35ac71a574

castoff

· #4 · Sep 18, 2010

The first seller lost his shirt by letting that go for $810.00. The seat would have cost at least $75.00, the decals probably came from Ingersoll at about $50.00 just for the hood set. Add in the cost of the paint plus all his time to take that thing apart, sand it, paint it, put it back together.... where's the profit? In fact, forget the profit. How could he buy that tractor and even break even? No way. That thing should have brought double what it did.

As for the second one, I agree is BIN is high but the real question is his reserve. I'd value the blower, blade and wheel weights at $775.00. A decent 400 series with a 21 hp Kawi engine and 48 deck is easily worth $1200.00. So right there, you are bumping up against the $2000.00 mark and what's wrong with that? If the bidding hits 2 G's, he should be happy. It's good money for the package and it's still one helluva deal for anyone who buys it. They'll end up with a fabulous tractor that will work for them for the next 20 years if they just look after it.

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ClassicMotion

· #5 · Sep 18, 2010

Other opinions aside, any Case with a 'custom' engine has a glass cieling over it's head. No way would I pay more than $500 for that tractor with just the deck.

castoff

· #6 · Sep 18, 2010

Re-powered tractors are always suspicious, I'll grant you that. However, I'm willing to bet that he bought that Kwacker as a kit from Small Engine Warehouse and paid around $1400.00 for it plus shipping. If so, it came with all the bits and pieces plus the instructions from SEW to carry out the swap properly.

A Kawi engine is as good as they come. I'd put them right up there with Honda GX, Vanguards, Kohler Command Pro and Generac. While I always prefer it when owners rebuild what they have, there is that nagging question as to how well the rebuild was done. A 2 year-old 21 hp Kawi engine gives me a lot of confidence in the longevity of the powerplant under the hood.

Now maybe you don't see it that way and that's OK but no Seller in their right mind is going to drop $1500.00 into that tractor a mere 2 years back and then sell it for $500.00 today. We'll watch the auction and see what happens. I'm betting that there is someone out there who is savvy enough to see the value that is there and pay him two grand or more for what he has.

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Mower_Man42

Discussion Starter · #7 · Sep 19, 2010

I couldn't believe that the seller let it got for such low price. Even if he got that 3016 for free, taking it apart then sand blasting, then painting it, and putting it back together. It came out looking very nice, looks almost new. Maybe should have put a buy it now price on it, to get more for it or at least let bidders know what he was looking for. Someone got a deal, the trip to Chicago has been paid for with the amount saved on the low price it sold for..

Snotrocket

· #8 · Sep 19, 2010

The seller of the ebay link I posted listed on CL today.

http://maine.craigslist.org/grd/1961521994.html

Even he knows it's not worth $2500.

castoff

· #9 · Sep 19, 2010

Maybe he sold it since the C/L ad has been pulled.

The e-bay listing has ended early too.

Bill.H

· #10 · Sep 19, 2010

2500 did seem a bit high, out of my range in fact. I saw it on CL last night for 1500, called him this morning, met him this afternoon. Wrote the check, he's even delivering it for the cost of gas. :trink40:

It's a 1983, not a 1984. He noticed it as soon as he pulled out the binder with the manuals in it and showed me. The Kawasaki fits in there nicely. Castoff nailed it, it is a repower kit from Small Engine Warehouse, their name is on the conversion kit parts list. :trink39: 21 horse FH641D and has a real oil filter.

I'll start a thread once I get it home.

Snotrocket

· #11 · Sep 19, 2010

Bill.H said:
2500 did seem a bit high, out of my range in fact. I saw it on CL last night for 1500, called him this morning, met him this afternoon. Wrote the check, he's even delivering it for the cost of gas. :trink40:

It's a 1983, not a 1984. He noticed it as soon as he pulled out the binder with the manuals in it and showed me. The Kawasaki fits in there nicely. Castoff nailed it, it is a repower kit from Small Engine Warehouse, their name is on the conversion kit parts list. :trink39: 21 horse FH641D and has a real oil filter.

I'll start a thread once I get it home.

Nice. I'm glad someone here got it. :trink39:

I'm also glad it was a repower kit and not a hack job.

Where in Maine are you?

Bill.H

· #12 · Sep 19, 2010

Snotrocket said:
Nice. I'm glad someone here got it. :trink39:

I'm also glad it was a repower kit and not a hack job.

Where in Maine are you?

West Kennebunk, in between Kennebunk and Alfred. 43.415,-70.595

I gotta say, the Kawaski fits in there nicely, I am surprised I haven't seen it mentioned more as a repower option.

You ready to sell that nice cabin you made for yours yet?

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Snotrocket

· #13 · Sep 19, 2010

Bill.H said:
West Kennebunk, in between Kennebunk and Alfred. 43.415,-70.595

I gotta say, the Kawaski fits in there nicely, I am surprised I haven't seen it mentioned more as a repower option.
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8669/kawaf.jpg[IMG]

You ready to sell that nice cabin you made for yours yet? ;)[/QUOTE]

I'm in Owls Head about 2 hours north of you.

That engine does look pretty good in there. The mufflers look a little strange.

Haha I tried to sell the cab when I bought it but nobody wanted it.

castoff

· #14 · Sep 20, 2010

Kawi's are an expensive engine to buy normally. SEW apparently lucked unto a whole raft of unit that had the right crankshaft size, style, length that was perfect for Case tractors. They bought them for the right kind of money and were able to sell them for the right kind of money.

I think that you will be very happy with that tractor. Just look after that engine really well. It has lots of power, runs as smooth as silk and is as good as any other premium engine out there. At $1500.00, you did very well. He paid almost that much for the SEW kit alone.

Snotrocket

· #15 · Sep 20, 2010

I haven't heard a whole lot of good things about small engine warehouse but that kit seems like a steal.

The complete kit from Jims tractor (which looks like a good kit too) is just shy of $1900.

In retrospect I'm kind of shocked he let it go for $1500 if he had just that wrapped up in the kit 2 years ago.

I'm also fairly certain he has another tractor listed on CL as well. This one is just the tractor only.

http://maine.craigslist.org/grd/1959659131.html

Bill.H

· #16 · Sep 20, 2010

Snotrocket said:
That engine does look pretty good in there. The mufflers look a little strange.

Haha I tried to sell the cab when I bought it but nobody wanted it.

Those aren't mufflers, they're moose antlers!

And I didn't have a 446 then - try again

I don't think it's the same guy, Dresden is near Wiscasset and Berwick is 80 miles SW of there. Plus there are no open fields there like in Berwick (see the background in the pic), it's all heavily wooded.

I think the last few months of coming home from work and checking CL right away have finally paid off. Any bets on if I can break the habit?

castoff

· #17 · Sep 20, 2010

Bill.H said:
Those aren't mufflers, they're moose antlers!

I'd be very cautious during moose mating season then. :fing32:

Snotrocket

· #18 · Sep 20, 2010

Bill.H said:
I think the last few months of coming home from work and checking CL right away have finally paid off. Any bets on if I can break the habit?

You can't break the habit. I've gone so far as to have my phone search CL for me in 3 states....:sidelaugh:sidelaugh

kungdrew

· #19 · Sep 21, 2010

I'm interested to learn more about the Kaw repower. Does this require switching to electric clutch pto?

Are there any repower options that will interchange with the mechanical clutch?

Not that I am considering a repower on my 224 just yet, but who knows about down the road if anything should ever go wrong.

Besides, the 321 will rattle the teeth out of my head after a while, I would like to know more abut smoother power options.

Can anyone enlighten us on the particulars or point us to a former thread?

OP Bill...That is one heck of a deal on that package. You did well.

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castoff

· #20 · Sep 21, 2010

If I recall correctly, an electric clutch was needed and I believe that there was an extension to raise the hood up right at the front hinge to provide clearance so the hood did not have to be cut.

The issue with any repower is whether the flywheel is designed to accept some sort of power take off fitting to be bolted to it. If the flywheel does have a flat area machined into it along with tapped holes, then I think that one of the two clutches could be adapted to fit. The only difference between an Onan clutch and a Kohler clutch is the main shaft that bolts to the flywheel. If you have access to a machine shop, nothing is impossible.

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