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Hi guys,
I'm looking hard at a couple of used X700's at a dealer. One is 2007 with 700+hrs ($5K), other is 2010 with 600+($5.5K). Both have brand new never used 54" decks. Neither has hydro ports, so I know they where never used with any hydro implements. No PTO or 3pt either. Looks to me that they were commercially used with a 7-iron (which was kept when the owner upgraded to newer machines). They seem to have only been used for mowing duty. They look clean, and to be in good shape and kept indoors (seats look to be in good condition, not new, but in excellent shape). Engines are clean looking (a little dust, but no oil sweat). The front turf tires look like they're about 30% left, so it's obvious they have been 'rolling' for a while. The rear hitch plates look clean, no obvious signs of abuse or abnormal scratches/dings etc.

The 2010 scares me. 600+ hours in two seasons seems awfully high. Yeah, it's got a little warranty left, but still. The older one (2007) has more hours, but I'm assuming spread over 5 seasons (seems more reasonable to me). The 2007 has a couple of very minor blemishes on the fender deck as you would expect for a used machine, and a very one deepish scratch on the hood between the headlights (perhaps rubbed up on someones deck?). No cracks. Nothing serious other than that. Mechanically? Good question. These machines are far, 8 hours drive away, so I can't visit them; I'd have to buy blind and take my chances and have it shipped. Used X7's are as rare as hens teeth in Canada.

I'm not too concerned at all by the hours on the engine(s). If it was maintained, it's nothing, it's just getting 'broken in' so to speak. The same is even more true for the K92. Mowing duty is an utter joke for a K92... if it was maintained, and even if it was not, I honestly believe it should still be as good as new.

There is also a couple of X720SE's and a newer 2010 X700. All seem to have come in around the same time. So like I said, it could be a commercial customer who upgraded his fleet, or changed them all at warranty expiry deadline, or went bust. I don't really know, I'll ask but can I beleive the answer?

Overall, I feel quite confident about the older machine. X7xx class machines don't die from a measly 700 hours of work.

I'm attracted to these machines, because I want to put on a 45 loader. I'd have to buy that new, there's simply no used ones to go around. So a $5k machine that's in reasonable conditon with a new FEL will come in nearly at the same price as a new X700 alone.

At worst, the engine might need some minor work (highly unlikely). The K92 might be leaking (also not likely) or have other issues. If I 'reserve' $1K for surprise repairs, I'm still way ahead.

My question is: What do you guys think? Is it worth the risk?

Any and all comments are welcome. :thanku: in advance.
 

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If they were used in a lawn service business I wouldn't be afraid of all the hours. Usually a business will take better care of there equipment then the average home owner will. It's the typical saying........ A machine thats broke down doesn't make any money for the business. Just my opinion your mileage may vary.......Gary
 

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The SE models are 2009 and the asking price is $9K. Hours average at 200.
 

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Gary, I tend to agree with that sentiment. That's why I'm not running away screaming just yet.
 

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The SE models are 2009 and the asking price is $9K. Hours average at 200.
I see why you are looking at the X700s in that case.
 

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Yeah, they're a lot cheaper. I'll probably add the "SE" enhancements later over time (the seat I'll get from Northern Tool and save). Even doing that, the tires, guard, mud flaps and seat, I'll spend less than $1K, so again, I'd still be way ahead of the 720SE's. OK, no injection and a little less power, but that's not important for my needs. There is also a 2010 X700 with only 60hrs, but that's $8K. Again, will I ever see a difference if the older X700 runs like a top? Probably not, so the $3K difference will make the 45 loader that much more affordable.
 

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OK, but what's your rational for that thinking? Where are the advantages to doing that? What do you feel I would gain?

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My only concern would be whether or not either of them have ever been run hot. Can the dealer run a maintenance history check on them for you...or did he perform any maintenance? Other than that I would not be afraid of either one. The 2010 model doesn't seem to have sat still long enough to have had many problems...
 

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Both machines seem to have originated from this dealer. I'll ask if he can provide some history. The 2010 (to me) seems as though it would have seen a lot of long days with the operator really pushing the machine hard to rack up that many hours in 2 seasons. No? Maybe I'm wrong.

Run hot? Well, unless the rad was blocked I don't see how that could happen. If this was southern Texas it might be a concern, but in Canada, the summer temps rarely exceed 90 deg F at the very worst, and then just for a day or two. Can you elaborate on this concern?

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If I were you I would take a good look at the 2010 X700 with 600 hours. Here's my rationale, was used for two seasons for 600 hours, that's 300 hours season. I'm guessing the mowing season is June July and August. If that's the case hundred hours per month which would equal approximately 25 hours per week which would equal five hours a day on average. The plus with this machine is, it still has warranty.
 

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Thats funny.... My X700 has a radiator and is WCooled. I bought mine with 17 hrs, 7 iron deck and 47 blower with Hyd ports and click and go for 8600.00 US locally last fall and it has been flawless. thinking about adding a FEL this spring....:trink39:
 

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Thats funny.... My X700 has a radiator and is WCooled. I bought mine with 17 hrs, 7 iron deck and 47 blower with Hyd ports and click and go for 8600.00 US locally last fall and it has been flawless. thinking about adding a FEL this spring....:trink39:
:sorry1: for the incorrect info.:banghead3 I was thinking of another model and...:dunno:
 

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Water cooled engines can be run longer hours straight through without issues. Either one of the ones your talking about should be fine and I wouldn't be afraid of them. slkpk
 

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OK, but what's your rational for that thinking? Where are the advantages to doing that? What do you feel I would gain?

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My irrational thinking is bigger is better, newer & fewer hours for less problems. In reality you are on the right track by balancing your budget against what you need and what is available out there.
 

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If I were you I would take a good look at the 2010 X700 with 600 hours. Here's my rationale, was used for two seasons for 600 hours, that's 300 hours season. I'm guessing the mowing season is June July and August. If that's the case hundred hours per month which would equal approximately 25 hours per week which would equal five hours a day on average. The plus with this machine is, it still has warranty.
Ditto!
 

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... would equal five hours a day on average. The plus with this machine is, it still has warranty.
Hmmm, I was thinking that. If anything IS wrong with machine, the remaining warranty would/should cover it, providing it's not caused by obvious abuse by the previous owner. I just felt it might have been pushed harder, but your point of view has given me reason to re-consider the 2010 machine.
Hmmm
 
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