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WELL....I guess living in a small area has a few disadvantages which made my shopping for a lawn rider day not what I was expecting. All of you have been very helpful, so I will not take up too much of your time. To recap my day today, here it is. As most of you know, I was going to test out the Simplicity Regent in various sizes, the John Deere X300 and LA-Series, and the Snapper Rear Engine Riders.

This was my experience.

Simplicity...The Simplicity place about two miles from my home was checked off my list because the guy is a jerk who runs it. So, I went to the other Simplicity place about 18 miles away and can you believe they are closed on Saturday and Sunday. Are you kidding me? Closed both days in the late Spring. Obviously, I could not look, feel or try any Simplicity.

Snapper...The Snapper place about 3 miles from my house was open till noon today. I got there and it was busy. Would you believe they told me they are a Snapper Distributor and order for people most of the tractors they want. They only had ONE Lawn Tractor in the whole place and it was a LT-200 model from last year. And, they had ONE Rear Engine Rider chained up in the front parking lot. I sat on it, but that is all I could do because they were busy. What a crummy experience at this place. No other Snapper dealers around here unless I want to drive about 45 miles, which I really do not want to do.

John Deere....I went here last, because as I mentioned last week, I had stopped at this John Deere store last week and the sales person basically told me not to buy the LA series because they were junk, even though I told him I only had about 1/4 acre of flat grass to mow. He told me to buy the X300. In any event, when I got there just after 12-noon, they were also closed. They close at noon on Saturday. Again, I cannot believe they would close so early. So, I sat on every LA series tractor they had on their lot and also sat on the X300. Obviously, I could not tell that much by just sitting on them except those John Deere seats are so darn comfortable, I did not want to get off. Plus, plenty of leg room.

So....that was my lousy day. It appears that I will have to take some time off from work to try out the Simplicity at the store 18-miles away. The Snapper place is a joke because how can I order something when they don't stock 90% of the tractors and rear engine riders, that I feel I should try first. Even though the John Deere guy tried to sell me an X300 the first time, at least they are also close to my home, have very good service from what I've been told and have tons of tractors in stock.

Always something to make you have to re-think so many things over again.

Dave
 

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,,,I had stopped at this John Deere store last week and the sales person basically told me not to buy the LA series because they were junk, even though I told him I only had about 1/4 acre of flat grass to mow.
I'm beginning to sense a conspiricy here ("Not you Hydro, really!?") At the JD dealer Thursday night I heard the manager tell my buddy who was shopping for a possible rider, in essence, "These are not really that substantial and won't last very long."

What this looks like to me is that independent JD dealers really don't want to mess with these low end JD riders of lower profit margin much. They seem willing to let a sale go if it isn't an X300 or above. He had also said that his price was only $10 more than big box store and it didn't really matter where or who sold the tractor that he would be the one serviceing it anyway.

Looks like a "set up" for BBS's to sell the little JD's which frees up the JD dealer for inventory space on larger LT/GTs. BUT, his showroom contained at least 10 L variety mowers... so why was he so reluctant to push a sale...? I just don't understand any of the retail business anymore after this and the "bout" with Sears Friday night...:D
 

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Yeah that snapper dealer don't sound to good,here in the middle of nowhere w.va.,the snapper dealer has about[maybe every one of the models,he sells one,he orders another.
 

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Yeah, I don't like the Saturday hours, with them closing at noon either, but I guess even they need some time off of work for family, etc'. Like the Snapper dealer, we have a New Holland dealer that does the same thing, selling by order only...says they hardly sell any...wonder why??? I would have bought New Holland had I been able to test a couple of different models out to decide which one. As for JD, many badged-low end JD's, are actually made by MTD. I do not look at, or know which ones, but would guess the JD dealers don't want their reputation based on those models, preferring to sell genuine quality JD products to their customers. From talking with various dealers, it appears manufacturers, expect dealerships to carry a certain number of tractors so that would explain why a dealer might carry an amount of tractors even though they might not want to sell that model. ??? Not sure how the above mentioned Snapper and New Holland dealer get away with what they do, unless they are just listed as a part and service establishment with the mother company.

Good luck in finding what you need.
 

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The dealers in my area are also open until noon on Saturdays. The former L & LA series are made by Deere and not MTD. They are Deere's answer to the entry level and small lot owners market. Why not sell in that market as it's a very big market and money to be made there. As with any entry level machine you should get around 500 hours with very few problems if it taken care of properly. The X300 is built heavier and if you took the time you should have been able to tell the difference in the 2 machines if you looked it over carefully. I would be more inclined to go with the X300 over the LA as I tend to hang on to things longer than most people do when it comes cars, trucks tractors etc. Either way you go you pay for it either up front or down the road in repairs. Which is the best way to go for you? :goodl: slkpk
 

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Hi Everyone...Thanks again for the help and discussion. I guess I can understand some of the dealers needing some time off, I just thought with such a short selling season, at least where I live, they would want to be open on Saturday or at least until mid afternoon.

SLKPK...Being a novice at this, I did notice a few things that were different on the John Deere LA series compared to the X300, but when I originally stopped in the first time, I never even had a chance to look over or learn much about the LA series because the sales person came out of the building so fast and made sure he deflected me right over to the X300. Then he started with his bashing of he LA models even though I told him my yard was just about 1/4 acre or not even, along with being flat.

On another thread where titled buying choice now down to 2...I mentioned how it did not bother me to be in the $3000 price range even though it was overkill, until at the last second my wife stuck her 2-cents into the equation and started about 'Needs and Wants". So, after they fruitful discussion, I had to lower my spending limit to a maximum of about $2200. That is why I am now down to the LA Series or the Snapper Rear Engine Riders.

Many have said those Rear Engine Riders would be perfect for my small flat service lawn and those Snapper RER last forever. If that is true, I might consider that, if I can ever find a Snapper place to see and test one versus just ordering one.

The only problem with the Snapper RER is that some dealers in certain parts of the country show the RER's with a Honda engine, while where I live and on the Snapper website, it shows them with a Briggs & Stratton engine. Another dealer says Kawasacki also is on some of the RER's. I am totally confused by this because I cannot find out any information as to why some places have different engines. Many have said the Honda engine is better.

Any thoughts on the LA Series versus the Snapper RER?

Dave
 

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I may not be too popular on this but why not go to home depot or Lowe's and check out the LA series there?I make it a point to do my homework on what i want to buy before i go to a store.The only difference between the dealer and the box store is knowledge on the item you want to buy from a sales person.All JD tractor's at the box stores are inspected and checked out by a local JD dealer.If you do need warranty work done on it!the work will be done by the JD dealer and not the box store.Also the box store hours open are much more than at a dealer and you can save 10% or more.
 

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Hello StanleyJohn....I thought about going into Lowe's because all John Deere Tractors are 10% off, which means an LA-145 that is $2099 at Home Depot or the John Deer dealer, is $1889 at Lowe's.

Again, being new to all of this, I thought that if I ever purchased one of these at a big box store and needed service, the John Deere dealer might be annoyed that I did not get it from him. Then, when I need service, they might delay when they can get the work done, among other things.

This happens a lot in he auto business when someone buys a car 50 miles away from their local dealer because the price is a bit better, then brings the car to the local dealer for service.

I just wasn't comfortable in my mind about the dealer possibly thinking....hey this guy buys his JD at Lowe's, and now calls me for service.

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Hello StanleyJohn....I thought about going into Lowe's because all John Deere Tractors are 10% off, which means an LA-145 that is $2099 at Home Depot or the John Deer dealer, is $1889 at Lowe's.

Again, being new to all of this, I thought that if I ever purchased one of these at a big box store and needed service, the John Deere dealer might be annoyed that I did not get it from him. Then, when I need service, they might delay when they can get the work done, among other things.

This happens a lot in he auto business when someone buys a car 50 miles away from their local dealer because the price is a bit better, then brings the car to the local dealer for service.

I just wasn't comfortable in my mind about the dealer possibly thinking....hey this guy buys his JD at Lowe's, and now calls me for service.

Dave
I hear what you say!I would do a search on the pros and cons of buying a jd at the box store,ive seen mixed opinions on this!check out for yourself.I bought the extended warrenty on mine and it just expired without any need to use it.PS!ill start a thread on this subject and lets see what happens.
 

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You also have to consider that the JD dealer who inspects the machines at the big box stores are paid to do so. It's not a service they provide for free!

The local dealer who does the service on the machines in my store (HD) provides the store associates with JD/Home Depot hats, with the dealer's name on them.

It's not all for nothing.

Another interesting twist, the Manager of the local JD dealer used to work in my store, and was once a Store Manager at another Home Depot in my district.
 

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I love the way all of the independent dealers are closed 3/4 of the weekend, then complain how the big box stores are driving them out of business. I wouldn't take time off of work to shop for a tractor; that just means I'd have to take time off of work every time it needed servicing! Maybe the independents make their money selling to commercial users?
 

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Adman,

I've been reading your various threads over the last couple of weeks and I think if I were you, considering your lawn size, I would go to Walmart or sears and get the most inexpensive rider they have ($1000 to $1400) or even a good self propelled walk behind ($300 or so ) and then use the money save for something else.

With that small of lawn the think that's going to be the hardest on your machine will be sitting in garage doing nothing. There is no reason a cheap MTD or Poulan can't last you 20 years on that size lawn with proper care.

As for repairs if needed there are a lot of independent small engine shops.
 

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And....buy that comfortable JD seat and put it on the new mower.

If you called a dealer about a certain mower, and if he didn't have it on site for a demo, he should be able to locate one close by. My JD dealer did that for me. Even offered to bring it to his shop for the demo.

And my tractor/mower guy is open Sats, but is of one other day during the week.
 

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I agree with modaone. 1/4 acre figures to about 10,890 square feet. I don't think it would take long to mow with even a small 22" push mower, so even an upgraded self propelled would be much cheaper, would last a long time with proper care, and take up less space than a rider.

Another option...I've heard of people with a small yard buying the cheapest from WallyWorld, about $100, use it one season, then when the grass stops growing sell it in a yard sale, 'nearly new', for $75. They never even have to change the oil or blade, and have a new mower each summer.
 

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I agree w/ the folks saying go cheaper for the size. I must've missed his acreage until he reposted again stating it over for us. I did say early on that a nice Honda self propelled (or Toro now that I think about it) would probably be just fine for that lot. When I was considering a smaller property in the borough I would've bought a Toro Super Recycler - the lot was the same size as his.

HOWEVER, if the man wants a tractor who are we to tell the fella no? :bannana:

If he HAS to have one, I still stand by the Snapper 28 so long as he drives it and finds the ride, turning, reverse, etc. acceptable. He can get a 28RER for less then 1700 out the door.
 

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If he wants a tractor just to have a tractor that's a different story, that's why I have 3 for my 1/2 acre lot.
 

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Hi Again All...I totally understand your thought about the possibly of not getting a tractor because of my 1/4 acre flat lawn surface. Unfortunetly, I have a very bad back and after about 10-minutes of walking or standing still in one spot, many problems develop, so, I have to get a lawn tractor.

Yes, it does bother me with the hours of some dealers and lack of product to test out, but at least I have narrowed down my choice to the Snapper Rear Engine Rider or JD LA-Series.

Now, I just have to decide where I am comfortable purchasing it. I have the two choices for the JD. The dealer, who I do not care for or the Big Blue store. Even though, the dealer that I do not like does the service for the JD's sold at the Blue Store. (I should say that I do not like the one salsperson that has been speaking to me. From what I've heard, the service is very good, so I should not blame the entire dealership on this one sales person).

if I want the Snapper, that will just be more of a challenge since the Snapper dealer near my home orders most of the riders and doesn't stock them. I might have to drive a ways to another place to test one out, then if I like it, order from the snapper guy near me.

By the way JoPopsy...The 28 RER at my Snapper place is on sale for $1549, if you can believe that!!
 

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Hi Again All...I totally understand your thought about the possibly of not getting a tractor because of my 1/4 acre flat lawn surface. Unfortunetly, I have a very bad back and after about 10-minutes of walking or standing still in one spot, many problems develop, so, I have to get a lawn tractor.

Yes, it does bother me with the hours of some dealers and lack of product to test out, but at least I have narrowed down my choice to the Snapper Rear Engine Rider or JD LA-Series.

Now, I just have to decide where I am comfortable purchasing it. I have the two choices for the JD. The dealer, who I do not care for or the Big Blue store. Even though, the dealer that I do not like does the service for the JD's sold at the Blue Store. (I should say that I do not like the one salsperson that has been speaking to me. From what I've heard, the service is very good, so I should not blame the entire dealership on this one sales person).

if I want the Snapper, that will just be more of a challenge since the Snapper dealer near my home orders most of the riders and doesn't stock them. I might have to drive a ways to another place to test one out, then if I like it, order from the snapper guy near me.

By the way JoPopsy...The 28 RER at my Snapper place is on sale for $1549, if you can believe that!!
$1549 is a good deal. Remember, the JD is also going to have a Briggs in it, the only diff being the JD will be a twin and the Snapper will be a single banger. You can't beat that price - try to test drive one.
 

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As for JD, many badged-low end JD's, are actually made by MTD.
JD makes ALL JD lawn and garden tractors. None are made by MTD.
 
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