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Jere, Is there a sticker on the windows showing what brand they installed? It would be interesting to know. Like Marvin, Pella, Milgard, Anderson.
I'll take a look. Raining today, maybe get to it in the new year - tomorrow!
 

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All new windows are supposed to be labeled as to whomever made them. After years of repairing them sometimes you can tell by the frame construction. On older windows be prepared for the manufacturer to no longer be in business.
But most of the time the window will have to be opened or removed to find that label.
I always liked the home owners that had all the home information in a note book.
 

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Jere, Is there a sticker on the windows showing what brand they installed? It would be interesting to know. Like Marvin, Pella, Milgard, Anderson.

Made the mistake of walking across the previously frozen, now thawed mud slick to get a close up. My wife is not happy with either Scout or me and our muddy feet. Windows are Wincore, a WV company I've never seen before (not that that means anything). I put Anderson in my house when I replaced very aged Pella's a couple years ago. I assisted in some IT upgrades at the Anderson hq in my career.

Window Wood Rectangle Building Grey


But, the slider in the back is Pella.

Building Window Fixture Wood Shade


Looks like I'm not the only one who walked through the mud.

All new windows are supposed to be labeled as to whomever made them. After years of repairing them sometimes you can tell by the frame construction. On older windows be prepared for the manufacturer to no longer be in business.
But most of the time the window will have to be opened or removed to find that label.
I always liked the home owners that had all the home information in a note book.
I think Mr Craftsman was talking about those big stickers that are advertising and will be peeled off in final punch list actions. At least that was my interpretation, and my muddy trek confirmation.
 
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Made the mistake of walking across the previously frozen, now thawed mud slick to get a close up. My wife is not happy with either Scout or me and our muddy feet. Windows are Wincore, a WV company I've never seen before (not that that means anything). I put Anderson in my house when I replaced very aged Pella's a couple years ago. I assisted in some IT upgrades at the Anderson hq in my career.

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But, the slider in the back is Pella.

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Looks like I'm not the only one who walked through the mud.



I think Mr Craftsman was talking about those big stickers that are advertising and will be peeled off in final punch list actions. At least that was my interpretation, and my muddy trek confirmation.
I had figured that. What I posted was for those with existing windows and may not have known the brand.
I would prefer they left those stickers but we know how that goes. New house and you don't need to know.
 

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Working off a set of pump jacks is something to get used to, although much more level and balanced than ladder brackets, those aluminum poles take some getting used to.

I worked in a Pella window plant for several years as a maintenance carpenter, building various stations, carts, storage racks, (grocery stores) as the were referred to. A couple of interesting builds were fabricating a shipping container for a laser etching machine for glass, engineers were concerned with crate as the etcher was 25 to 30K from what I understood, about 4 foot long and quite heavy. Also built a glass recovery station that consisted of a Makita glass polisher that would polish out any scratches sustained once the window was built. I didn't see it get used much as Quality Control usually caught those imperfections early in the build.

The wood double hung plant has transitioned into a vinyl window plant now,

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News updates, and retractions:

First, what I reported, and even presented in a picture was apparently an optical illusion. The siding on the back is not train station two tone at all. Or maybe it was changed? It is in fact all white:

Building Sky Window Plant Tree


Rainy day today again, and the garage door, also white, was being installed.

Second, While Scout and I were there on our mid-day walk, the neighbor across the road told me he didn't think it was sold, rather, he is convinced it was taken off the market. Not sure how he arrived at that conclusion, but I defer to his version of reality.

And, third, an update on our potential Pocono Lake House. All manner of issues have arisen during these last 10 days till the scheduled January 6 closing. This week the current owners noted their quarterly water bill was significantly higher than they expected. Where upon the water company declared a water leak somewhere customer side of the meter at the street. A water detection company probed the line under the driveway and declared the leak too small to pinpoint, but there for sure. Now, PA 1Call is marking the utilities, and presumably an excavator will then dig up the line (runs under a gravel driveway) and repair. Current owner is committed to paying for the repair, but no one is committed to a completion date. So, to close with an open water main leak, or postpone??
 

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I have to agree with Don...I know the way things are done vary in different parts of the country, but when I bought this house 25 years ago, the old owner never paid his last couple of water bills and around here I became responsible. I found out when I got a letter from the Water District telling me if I didn't pay that they were going to lien the house...it was just a few hundred dollars, but it was infuriating.
If you can agree at an amount that sounds reasonable to you and the seller, you can have some of your payment placed into an escrow account, your lawyer being the custodian of that account....If you do that, go high to keep yourself covered
 

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@Jere39, I like the padded escrow suggestion. Keeps everything on schedule and doesn’t allow the seller to claim you have breached contract by not sticking to the agreed schedule. I would use an escrow $$ figure roughly double the repair estimate, to allow for uncertainties. There is no reason the seller should balk at this - - any funds not used for the repair will convey back to them.

Escrowing for repairs is actually a fairly common procedure. Besides keeping the schedule on track, it allows the buyers to ensure that repairs are completed to their satisfaction, and means the contractors who make the repairs will be answerable to the buyers, too. Which is helpful since it is the buyers who will be living with the repairs.
 

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Jere,

I think it was the shadow from the walk plank creating the different color, your second picture shows the shadowing again below the walk planks.

Again, good luck with the new to you property.

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Well, I too decided that even though I received multiple reassurances that it could be adequately documented, I'd rather just wait till it is fixed to complete the purchase. My concerns were that I am aware of at least 4 utility lines (electric, cable, water, sewer) buried under the driveway, and the PA 1Call guys will be mark all these - an excavator is not a precision digging machine. Suppose after the purchase is completed the contractor who fixes the water line accidently breaks the sewer line. So, here I sit, with a fat money market account, and no lake house - yet.

But, Scout and I walked down and snapped a picture of the siding guys working on the front of the house where they are installing vertical siding, at least for the bottom section:

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Well, I too decided that even though I received multiple reassurances that it could be adequately documented, I'd rather just wait till it is fixed to complete the purchase. My concerns were that I am aware of at least 4 utility lines (electric, cable, water, sewer) buried under the driveway, and the PA 1Call guys will be mark all these - an excavator is not a precision digging machine. Suppose after the purchase is completed the contractor who fixes the water line accidently breaks the sewer line. So, here I sit, with a fat money market account, and no lake house - yet.

But, Scout and I walked down and snapped a picture of the siding guys working on the front of the house where they are installing vertical siding, at least for the bottom section:

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Utilities buried in which direction under the drive? Not a good thing. If in conduit they could at least be pulled. Doubt if they used traceable markers either.
 

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Utilities buried in which direction under the drive? Not a good thing. If in conduit they could at least be pulled. Doubt if they used traceable markers either.
I doubt the water line would be in conduit, but who knows. And the cable was probably trenched at a pretty shallow depth. The direction is the length of the drive - straight shot from the road to the house where they all enter through the garage wall. I really don't have much more information than that. And, it appears the current owner doesn't either, having never had reason to disturb any of them.
 

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This Old House worked on one in New England some where a few years ago that they needed to blast rock. Utilities came in under the drive on that one and every things had to be in conduit from the road. The drive was not short either. Septic went into a special built field.
 

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Weekend Update:

The siding guy was there all alone this morning, and just might be hoping to finish up today. As noted, front siding is a trending style of vertical seam. I'm not convinced this has a durable appeal:

Sky Plant Vehicle Cloud Building


Friday, while the soil was still quite soggy, they delivered more stone, and trenched in for the electric, and possibly the cable run:

Brown Window Plant Tree Building


And, I found a google street view of the driveway where the suspect water line leak is:

Plant Natural landscape Tree Groundcover Landscape
 
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Weekend Update:

The siding guy was there all alone this morning, and just might be hoping to finish up today. As noted, front siding is a trending style of vertical seam. I'm not convinced this has a durable appeal:

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Friday, while the soil was still quite soggy, they delivered more stone, and trenched in for the electric, and possibly the cable run:

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And, I found a google street view of the driveway where the suspect water line leak is:

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Looks like about 2 ft. depth in the ditch. Same as we use up here.
 

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Same here code is for electrical at 2 ft.
I would be surprised if cable is in the same trench. Here it's two or more different companies. Trench would not be deep enough for water and sewer which can't or should say are not supposed to be at the same level anyway. We need 4 feet for water here to prevent freezing. Even though our shut off at the meter is in a 2 foot pit. I have never seen ice in the pit. Is that a roll of fabric over the trench?
 

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Same here code is for electrical at 2 ft.
I would be surprised if cable is in the same trench. Here it's two or more different companies. Trench would not be deep enough for water and sewer which can't or should say are not supposed to be at the same level anyway. We need 4 feet for water here to prevent freezing. Even though our shut off at the meter is in a 2 foot pit. I have never seen ice in the pit. Is that a roll of fabric over the trench?
The water and sewer will definitely be in different trenches. And the cable will probably be buried with a slicing cable laying machine later, but more or less parallel to this trench. From the same pole to nearly the same point on the side of the house.
That is a roll of silt sock that is filled with mulch. It's been there since they first moved soil to control run-off. They just dug this trench under it. I think I posted a picture of them setting it and filling it back in this thread, but I'll post it here again:

Plant Cloud Sky Tree Leaf


And here is the truck and the men filling it on-site with mulch:

Plant Motor vehicle Vehicle Tree Natural landscape
 
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