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Stll looking 4 model D information

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Still looking for anyone that is well aquinted with the gravely model d engine. I do not want to attempt to start it untill I get some info.

I have never had a small engine that had a recirculate system and would like some info on the system.

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Usually, these type engines ( in motorcycle applications) had two tanks above the engine: one for fuel, the other for oil.

Both fed their respective systems by gravity. The earliest versions were "total-loss" systems, where the oil flowed down to its respective points, then was cast-out on the ground.

In the case of scavenging / re-circulating systems, a small pump scavenged oil from the bottom of the sump, and returned it to the top of the oil tank, where the oil waited to make another lap through the system.

The pictures I've seen of D-model tractors show two filler-caps in the hood, which supports the two-tank theory.

I would NOT try to operate one of these engines as a "closed loop", the way I think I see it plumbed in the picture. Rather, I would set-up some sort of small tank ( say a 1-qt tank, borrowed from an old Lawn-Boy, Clinton, or Briggs, with the largest size feed-line that will connect to the crankcase fittings, and the return line into the top of the tank ( through the filler ). The return to the tank helps to cool the oil, was well as supplying a slight-bit of "head pressure" due to the elevation.

I think you are right to be cautious before firing this beast up... :fing32:

If someone on the forum knows more about these early engines, hopefully they will speak-up... :howdy:
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Get in touch with this guy:

tinyurl.com/lulzqf5

BTW, that is our very own FlaDon, right?

Who else would own that many D's?!?

Whoa, maybe it's not FlaDon; check it out:

tinyurl.com/lwoadbp

Anyway, whoever he is [he has a gmail address of "a1lawnaeration"], he sure does seem to know a thing or two about the ancient engines.
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my father has a working, running model d. yes, there is an oil tank and a fuel tank! the engine has a dry sump setup. the oil is gravity fed from the tank to the bearings and pumped from the sump into the tank. fuel side is like any other gravity system. the air cooling tells me its a second generation d engine as the first was liquid cooled. its probably from the 1930s. the exhaust was just a pipe that ran away from the machine no muffler. be nice to her, they are hard to find running. if your ever in michigan i can arrange a viewing of the d, or it will be at this years mow-in
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Thank you for the leads!

Jim E
Get in touch with this guy:

tinyurl.com/lulzqf5

BTW, that is our very own FlaDon, right?

Who else would own that many D's?!?

Whoa, maybe it's not FlaDon; check it out:

tinyurl.com/lwoadbp

Anyway, whoever he is [he has a gmail address of "a1lawnaeration"], he sure does seem to know a thing or two about the ancient engines.
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Thank you very much, I have been trying to get some info for quite a while.

Jim E

my father has a working, running model d. yes, there is an oil tank and a fuel tank! the engine has a dry sump setup. the oil is gravity fed from the tank to the bearings and pumped from the sump into the tank. fuel side is like any other gravity system. the air cooling tells me its a second generation d engine as the first was liquid cooled. its probably from the 1930s. the exhaust was just a pipe that ran away from the machine no muffler. be nice to her, they are hard to find running. if your ever in michigan i can arrange a viewing of the d, or it will be at this years mow-in
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You have to be careful with the tanks on the Model D tractors. Water cooled Ds do not have two tanks, one for gas and one for oil. Early Ds were one tank gas and one for water. The WC Ds just had what was in the crankcase. Ls from 1935 to 1937 had two tanks too. Oil and gas with a scavenging oil system. Air cooled Ds were from 1927 to the end of production in Europe about 1955.
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Get in touch with this guy:

tinyurl.com/lulzqf5

BTW, that is our very own FlaDon, right?

Who else would own that many D's?!?

Whoa, maybe it's not FlaDon; check it out:

tinyurl.com/lwoadbp

Anyway, whoever he is [he has a gmail address of "a1lawnaeration"], he sure does seem to know a thing or two about the ancient engines.
Not me. I haven't gotten moved yet so haven't gotten started on the Ds.
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I believe this air cooled D is mid 30's. It has 3 copper lines going to the crankcase. I believe "oil in/return/vent" but not sure which is which.
Still have to find out valve gap and nominal compression.

THX
Jim E

You have to be careful with the tanks on the Model D tractors. Water cooled Ds do not have two tanks, one for gas and one for oil. Early Ds were one tank gas and one for water. The WC Ds just had what was in the crankcase. Ls from 1935 to 1937 had two tanks too. Oil and gas with a scavenging oil system. Air cooled Ds were from 1927 to the end of production in Europe about 1955.
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ive got access to an aircooled D engine if you need pictures of any internals.
Thank you so very much. I know nothing about this great engine.

1. Their are 3 copper tubes on the engine crankcase. Two are shown in this picture joined by a rubber tube. I am assuming that the top one of these is the oil feeder line and the other is the return line to the reservoir.(could be totally wrong). I am also assuming the third is a vent tube?

2. What is the valve clearance and is it set hot or cold?

3. there are also two copper lines on the carb, again I assume the one nearest the float bowl is the fuel supply. But I have no idea what the other is for?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Jim English

ive got access to an aircooled D engine if you need pictures of any internals.

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Thank you so very much. I know nothing about this great engine.

1. Their are 3 copper tubes on the engine crankcase. Two are shown in this picture joined by a rubber tube. I am assuming that the top one of these is the oil feeder line and the other is the return line to the reservoir.(could be totally wrong). I am also assuming the third is a vent tube?

2. What is the valve clearance and is it set hot or cold?

3. there are also two copper lines on the carb, again I assume the one nearest the float bowl is the fuel supply. But I have no idea what the other is for?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

Jim English
Aircooled Ds have the valves set at .006"-.008" clearance. Should be done hot. Setting them cold can cause the valve stem to grow when hot and keep the valves off of the seats.
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