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Interesting! Must be an '04 or '05 model. Kinda rare to see a 4 cycle that isn't on the steel deck too.
 

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That is a SUPER rare 10551. They also made a 3 speed. I think it was a 10530, or something along those lines.
I've never seen anything but a Duraforce behind an Easy Stride handle, so that's why it seemed odd to me. Thought someone may have done a motor swap. But that model # shows exactly this! Crazy.
I went to contact 'em to get the model # on it but it had already sold. That was fast, haha.
Thanks for the info!
 

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Back when I was a 4 cycle fan, that was the mower of my dreams. I remember seeing one on Craigslist for $50 a few years back, but around the same time I switched my main mower from a tecumseh powered 10360 to the V powered 10314, and the rest was history. They don’t really compare to the two strokes, but the tecumseh models were nice in their own right and it’s a shame they weren’t more popular.
 

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They aren't bad machines. If only it was a Kawasaki FJ150V....
 

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Back when I was a 4 cycle fan, that was the mower of my dreams. I remember seeing one on Craigslist for $50 a few years back, but around the same time I switched my main mower from a tecumseh powered 10360 to the V powered 10314, and the rest was history. They don’t really compare to the two strokes, but the tecumseh models were nice in their own right and it’s a shame they weren’t more popular.
Lol, why was that one the mower of your 4-cycle dreams? I would think a Honda-motor'd LB would be more likely to fall in a category like that.
I haven't owned a functional V yet, just had 1 junker I got for free and stripped a couple/few parts off of, then scrapped. I know they're said to have more torque than an F, but also louder and more shaky. I'm partial to my late-model F and Duraforces myself. For a while my 'gotta have' mower was a 10550, such as in my sig. I finally purchased one, then that changed, lol. I'm probably gonna re-sell it if I get time this year, but my summer has turned on it's ear and it's been crazy so we'll see if I get time to get that far.
 

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Lol, why was that one the mower of your 4-cycle dreams? I would think a Honda-motor'd LB would be more likely to fall in a category like that.
I haven't owned a functional V yet, just had 1 junker I got for free and stripped a couple/few parts off of, then scrapped. I know they're said to have more torque than an F, but also louder and more shaky. I'm partial to my late-model F and Duraforces myself. For a while my 'gotta have' mower was a 10550, such as in my sig. I finally purchased one, then that changed, lol. I'm probably gonna re-sell it if I get time this year, but my summer has turned on it's ear and it's been crazy so we'll see if I get time to get that far.
Since they never made a Honda powered staggered deck LB, I figured that gold series tecumseh was the nicest factory made machine. Regarding the V, I'm part of a small percentage of people who love the V engine, it is very torquey, can almost run with my duraforces, doesn’t have the lower seal and coil issues plaguing the duraforce engines, and is a few pounds lighter. When the muffler baffle is intact and the muffler housing isn’t broken around the mounting screws (which is rare, they are often broken), it is hardly louder than an F engine. I’d say the F is the best engine, love my 10651, but would definitely put the V ahead of the duraforce in quality. The 10550 was my ‘gotta have’ mower for a couple years. I got one last year, didn’t even have it 3 weeks before I traded it. I’ve sold all of my duraforces except for my super clean 10324, which is up for sale on Craigslist now. Once that one goes, I’ll celebrate being duraforce free and get myself a 10518 or 10523.
 

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Since they never made a Honda powered staggered deck LB, I figured that gold series tecumseh was the nicest factory made machine. Regarding the V, I'm part of a small percentage of people who love the V engine, it is very torquey, can almost run with my duraforces, doesn’t have the lower seal and coil issues plaguing the duraforce engines, and is a few pounds lighter. When the muffler baffle is intact and the muffler housing isn’t broken around the mounting screws (which is rare, they are often broken), it is hardly louder than an F engine. I’d say the F is the best engine, love my 10651, but would definitely put the V ahead of the duraforce in quality. The 10550 was my ‘gotta have’ mower for a couple years. I got one last year, didn’t even have it 3 weeks before I traded it. I’ve sold all of my duraforces except for my super clean 10324, which is up for sale on Craigslist now. Once that one goes, I’ll celebrate being duraforce free and get myself a 10518 or 10523.
Ah. Maybe the youtube vids of the Vs I've heard had the muffler issues making it louder.
I have a couple Duraforce I think w/leaky bottoms, haha. The one that I use as my main back yard mower (10323) doesn't leak and doesn't surge. It's a beast and I love it. I wouldn't care to push one around though - like the the latest one I obtained and plan on fixing and flipping.. a push version Duraforce - screw that noise, lol. Wouldn't be so bad on flats, but I have hills in the back yard and have come to really like that 10323 for them. I used my little 19" F pusher out back last week because I had arm surgery and need to use something light since I'm a 1-arm bandit for now, and albeit small and light, I still prefer my 10323 out back. It's just better suited for the back, but it's heavier. The 104101 is my front yard mower and works perfectly for that and outshines the 10323 for the front application. I get the weirdest looks when I say I have a front-yard mower and a back-yard mower, lol.
I'd have to look to see if my Easy Stride Duraforce has a seal leak, I wanna say it does a little bit but I forget. I didn't use it this season so I don't recall for sure. I do recall that one of the freebie Duraforce units out back was a leaker though. Coils I haven't had to deal with so much - yet. The one I picked up last could be my start though, as it was said there's an 'ignition issue'. We'll see.
Check out the Honda-powered staggered deck I picked up :tango_face_wink: It doesn't work as intended though. I was excited when I picked it up and wondered how it was achieved, well.. it wasn't so much. It's a Frankenstein that doesn't function properly, a work in progress maybe. The guy I picked it up from got it from a passed relative who was into mowers. He was the only one remotely interested in mowers in the family so they contacted him to see if he wanted to buy them from the estate and he did. He either didn't know WTF was going on though, or tried to play it off, because the first thing I asked was "Who swapped this motor onto the deck then, you or the deceased?" and he was like "What do you mean? That's the factory motor", to which I laughed and told 'em that no, that motor is from an early 2000's LB and has been swapped onto this deck. It ran great but didn't propel like it was supposed to, there's some cobbling going on there between the motor and trans. The Honda ran/runs good though and I got it semi-cheap. Figured I'd use the motor on another deck or something, but haven't gotten to that point yet.
 

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I came to the forum this morning to see if anyone had seen this model before and here you have an even more rare one I think. Ive never seen yours or this one either...

 

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Ah. Maybe the youtube vids of the Vs I've heard had the muffler issues making it louder.
I have a couple Duraforce I think w/leaky bottoms, haha. The one that I use as my main back yard mower (10323) doesn't leak and doesn't surge. It's a beast and I love it. I wouldn't care to push one around though - like the the latest one I obtained and plan on fixing and flipping.. a push version Duraforce - screw that noise, lol. Wouldn't be so bad on flats, but I have hills in the back yard and have come to really like that 10323 for them. I used my little 19" F pusher out back last week because I had arm surgery and need to use something light since I'm a 1-arm bandit for now, and albeit small and light, I still prefer my 10323 out back. It's just better suited for the back, but it's heavier. The 104101 is my front yard mower and works perfectly for that and outshines the 10323 for the front application. I get the weirdest looks when I say I have a front-yard mower and a back-yard mower, lol.
I'd have to look to see if my Easy Stride Duraforce has a seal leak, I wanna say it does a little bit but I forget. I didn't use it this season so I don't recall for sure. I do recall that one of the freebie Duraforce units out back was a leaker though. Coils I haven't had to deal with so much - yet. The one I picked up last could be my start though, as it was said there's an 'ignition issue'. We'll see.
Check out the Honda-powered staggered deck I picked up :tango_face_wink: It doesn't work as intended though. I was excited when I picked it up and wondered how it was achieved, well.. it wasn't so much. It's a Frankenstein that doesn't function properly, a work in progress maybe. The guy I picked it up from got it from a passed relative who was into mowers. He was the only one remotely interested in mowers in the family so they contacted him to see if he wanted to buy them from the estate and he did. He either didn't know WTF was going on though, or tried to play it off, because the first thing I asked was "Who swapped this motor onto the deck then, you or the deceased?" and he was like "What do you mean? That's the factory motor", to which I laughed and told 'em that no, that motor is from an early 2000's LB and has been swapped onto this deck. It ran great but didn't propel like it was supposed to, there's some cobbling going on there between the motor and trans. The Honda ran/runs good though and I got it semi-cheap. Figured I'd use the motor on another deck or something, but haven't gotten to that point yet.
That was a combo I actually contemplated building when I had a 22" "lawn boy" (green toro), I thought about putting the engine on a staggered deck, I know they pulley is the same diameter as stock but didn't check and see if the width of the belt is different, maybe that is where your sp issue is coming from. I bought one of the new 21" "atomic" blades for one of the new lawnboys to use on my conversion, as it is a direct match for the blade adapter and I was curious as to the mulching abilities of the atomic blade on the staggered deck. The only real flaw to a Honda motor on these things is that I don't think a bagger can fit in there next to the muffler. It might be a pretty nice machine if you can get the sp set up right.

The 10323 I had a couple years ago was my favorite duraforce, I used it until the output shaft bushings wore all the way through and finally retired it after the deck cracked in 4 different places. The df steel decks just don't seem to hold up that well, as I scrape under my mower after every mow and never let grass accumulate. I agree about the 10247 push model being less than desirable, my brother had one for a while that we ended up using as a donor when his 22261 broke a rod. Weight wise you can't do better than the 19" F, but best wishes for a quick recovery so you can get back to your backyard mower.
 

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I came to the forum this morning to see if anyone had seen this model before and here you have an even more rare one I think. Ive never seen yours or this one either...


Those were the final steel deck staggered wheel lawnboys ever made, they were sold in 03 and 04 but I can tell by the front decal on yours that it is a final year production model. I had one earlier this year that I gave to a friend who complained about the cut quality, and sold it instead of sharpening the blade. They made them with regular single speed sp and with easy stride, which is the rarer variant. Not really my cup of tea, but lightweight and decently powerful for a 4 stroker.
 

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They also made a 3 speed. I think it was a 10530, or something along those lines.
And evidently a regular variable speed 10360, and a push version of which IDK the model # yet.
 

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I came to the forum this morning to see if anyone had seen this model before and here you have an even more rare one I think. Ive never seen yours or this one either...
I see those on a semi-regular basis on my local CL.. 10356 57 & 58. Not as much as an F or Duraforce, but they pop up here-n-there.
 

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And evidently a regular variable speed 10360, and a push version of which IDK the model # yet.

Yes, several tecumseh steel deck models are around. The cast decks are rare.

The models are

10202
10260
10262
10270
10272
10302
10321
10327
10328
10330
10334
10335
10356
10357
10358
10359
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That was a combo I actually contemplated building when I had a 22" "lawn boy" (green toro), I thought about putting the engine on a staggered deck, I know they pulley is the same diameter as stock but didn't check and see if the width of the belt is different, maybe that is where your sp issue is coming from. I bought one of the new 21" "atomic" blades for one of the new lawnboys to use on my conversion, as it is a direct match for the blade adapter and I was curious as to the mulching abilities of the atomic blade on the staggered deck. The only real flaw to a Honda motor on these things is that I don't think a bagger can fit in there next to the muffler. It might be a pretty nice machine if you can get the sp set up right.
Well, I handed it over to a buddy of mine who's more knowledgeable in fixing mowers than I am (I'm a 'work in progress' there myself, heh) and he says there's some real funkiness going on with the trans on it and thinks the trans is from a Duraforce. So we have a non-Duraforce deck with a Honda on it and a Duraforce trans in it. When it swivels back (or down, I forget which) the pulley assy actually hits the deck. The wheels are always moving. More so when you grab the bar, but when you let go of it they still move, just slower. It gets hung up on the deck I think. It's weird. Someone was trying to make it happen, but didn't come up with the right combo apparently.
Ahhh.. I hadn't thought about how a bag would fit with the muffler. I don't usually bag so it never even crossed my mind.
The 10323 I had a couple years ago was my favorite duraforce, I used it until the output shaft bushings wore all the way through and finally retired it after the deck cracked in 4 different places. The df steel decks just don't seem to hold up that well, as I scrape under my mower after every mow and never let grass accumulate. I agree about the 10247 push model being less than desirable, my brother had one for a while that we ended up using as a donor when his 22261 broke a rod. Weight wise you can't do better than the 19" F, but best wishes for a quick recovery so you can get back to your backyard mower.
I know what you mean on the decks. I mistakenly paid too much for one and didn't notice until I got it home and started cleaning it up that the deck was rusted in one spot, like an actual hole through tit. The un-cleaned condition was hiding that fact by clogging the hole w/grass clumps. I too clean out under my decks after every mow, but normally a stream spray takes care of all the muck under it. Not too often do I have to scrape, but I also usually don't mow if the grass is wet so that helps too. What do you use to scrape it though?
Thanks for the best wishes. It's unfortunately a slow recovery (2-3 months), so right now I have an arm brace on that really effectively just loves to catch on doorways, handles, counters, corners, blankets/comforters, you name it. I guess it works okay as an actual brace too. I may break out the back yard mower though this week. I don't think it'll be any more of a pain to use 1-handed vs pushing the F up the hill(s). Now though I have to wait 'till I have help moving a few things off to the sides and out of my way before mowing, that I can't do myself. Oh and starting a mower with your left hand is quite interesting vs my right hand. Gotta get creative. Good thing the 'boys start easily.
 

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Yes, several tecumseh steel deck models are around. The cast decks are rare.

The models are

10202
10260
10262
10270
10272
10302
10321
10327
10328
10330
10334
10335
10356
10357
10358
10359
10360
10361
10362
10363
10367
Nice! More to look up now, haha. I have yet to make it all the way through the model thread. I've chipped away at it a couple/few times though.. I'll get there eventually!
 

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Nice! More to look up now, haha. I have yet to make it all the way through the model thread. I've chipped away at it a couple/few times though.. I'll get there eventually!
One model missing from the list is the 10311. That mower was my first LB. Basically identical to the 10302, I have yet to see another besides the one that I have.
 

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Thanks for the best wishes. It's unfortunately a slow recovery (2-3 months), so right now I have an arm brace on that really effectively just loves to catch on doorways, handles, counters, corners, blankets/comforters, you name it. I guess it works okay as an actual brace too. I may break out the back yard mower though this week. I don't think it'll be any more of a pain to use 1-handed vs pushing the F up the hill(s). Now though I have to wait 'till I have help moving a few things off to the sides and out of my way before mowing, that I can't do myself. Oh and starting a mower with your left hand is quite interesting vs my right hand. Gotta get creative. Good thing the 'boys start easily.
I've never even thought about trying to pull-start anything left-handed... I know what I'm trying next time I mow! Seriously though, best wishes for a good and complete recovery (since you already said it'll be a few months.)
 

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If might be rare but it's not nearly as good as a duraforce. I don't like the tecumsehs much at all. If 4 cycle I want the Briggs. Not a Honda fan either.

Just had 4 old briggs leave my shop this month. Two 1997s, a 99 and a 95.
 
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