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I have a lake cabin in Minnesota that I am trying to figure out snow removal for. The drive way is long, about 350ft and is gravel. Over the 350 ft, it rises about 20 ft, so there is a bit of a grade there. It is also a narrow driveway, so a blade is not an option, I need a snow blower. I talked to my local John Deere dealer and have narrowed my choices down to two, the X739 with four wheel drive and the X584 with four wheel steering. The X739 is about $8500 more expensive but I get four wheel drive. Do you think it is worth it? Any advise is welcome!
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According to Tractor Data the 2305 is real close in weight to the 1025:

John Deere 2305 Weight
Shipping1450 lbs
657 kg
Operating1865 lbs
845 kg


You are correct in we really don't know what the OP needs.

With a 350' driveway, an old truck with a plow would move snow the best. They get a lot of snow in Northern MN.
$14,700 for X739 (no deck, bare tractor) 1044lbs $14/lb
$18,030 for 1025R (no deck, no loader) 1556lbs = $11.60/lb

So, yeah, I agree the 1025R is a better deal.
1023e is $15,149 and 1446lb for $10.50/lb, a slightly better deal.

There is a difference between the 2305 and the 1 series. The 1 series is almost as big as my CUT. It just doesn't have the extra ground clearance from the larger tires I have. That puts my CUT's up about 6 inches higher.

I don't think we really know enough about what the OP really needs. Where is the machine stored? How easy will it be to get to where it is if the driveway is full of snow and ice?

Ultimately many choices can work okay or better. Some would probably be bad ones. Waiting for Spring/Summer might be adequate for some.
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Snow mobile and forget the snow removal.
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I hear that. Mine is in the shop (79 trailfire JD 440) BUT if I can get ahold of my neighbor I'll have a 99 SXR 600 Yamaha he is willing to sell me.
Snow mobile and forget the snow removal.
You will like the heat, at my former work place, we bought the X738 with the cab and no heat, after a short while the windows fogging up and we could not see out to blow the snow. After we added the optional heater, the issue went away. We ordered the X758 with the same cab and added the optional heater in the purchase.
Definitely like the cab idea. Don't necessarily need heat but getting out of the wind makes things much better.
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I can tell you from experience that a stone driveway & a snow caster do not mix well together !! I know when you're dealing with feet of snow that you guys are dealing with in the northern midwest, that you need more then a plow on a garden tractor. In those type of snow emergency removals if you have nothing powerful or large enough (Heavy) to do snow removal, keep your blower at least 1-1/2" to 2 inches above the stone driveway, & it will help with not throwing as many stone that can damage your building or buildings, & jamming up the auger blades. I know we all think we can stay on top of changing the direction of the chute as far as damage to the windows, but at a certain point you will get distracted, & in a snap of a finger you'll be saying, " Aw **** " !!
Remember 2" above the stone surface will help a lot, even with the sticky snows !!
I have a lake cabin in Minnesota that I am trying to figure out snow removal for. The drive way is long, about 350ft and is gravel. Over the 350 ft, it rises about 20 ft, so there is a bit of a grade there. It is also a narrow driveway, so a blade is not an option, I need a snow blower. I talked to my local John Deere dealer and have narrowed my choices down to two, the X739 with four wheel drive and the X584 with four wheel steering. The X739 is about $8500 more expensive but I get four wheel drive. Do you think it is worth it? Any advise is welcome!
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I have not experienced the stone throw with the blower feet at 2". I can remove the remaining snow with the plow or just leave it for the sun to take care of. If we don't get over 4" that's what happens any way. With no ordinance that says it has to be moved it's just as easy to drive over it. It usually last a few days and gone any was.
I also live in Minnesota, small town, rural. I have an X720 with the 47" blower, chains and 300 lbs of suitcase weights. It's great for snowblowing my 60' x 60' apron plus a 100ft driveway. I do wish I had 4WD, never wish I had 4-wheel steering. I mow a few of our 12 acres plus walking trails with this rig also using a 60" 7-Iron mower (where I also wish I had 4WD sometimes). I would go with the X7xx machine (gas, not diesel, here in cold country where it is stored in my unheated pole barn. 3 passes with the blower on the driveway section is all it takes, but I usually do the edge sections a second time. I also have followed the numerous comparison chats comparing the 1 series and the X7xx series, and I would still vote for the X7xx series for the snowblowing. I have a JD4720 with 400X FEL (turf tires and no chains, works great) that I use to scrape down the crusty snow on my apron and driveway and which I alternate with the blower rig. Summary: X7xx=yes, 4WD=yes, chains=yes, weights=yes, 4-wheel steering=no. Good Luck!
I have a lake cabin in Minnesota that I am trying to figure out snow removal for. The drive way is long, about 350ft and is gravel. Over the 350 ft, it rises about 20 ft, so there is a bit of a grade there. It is also a narrow driveway, so a blade is not an option, I need a snow blower. I talked to my local John Deere dealer and have narrowed my choices down to two, the X739 with four wheel drive and the X584 with four wheel steering. The X739 is about $8500 more expensive but I get four wheel drive. Do you think it is worth it? Any advise is welcome!
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I have thrown stones in my one parking area. They fly! I just lift it up a bit off the ground less than 2"s .
I have not experienced the stone throw with the blower feet at 2". I can remove the remaining snow with the plow or just leave it for the sun to take care of. If we don't get over 4" that's what happens any way. With no ordinance that says it has to be moved it's just as easy to drive over it. It usually last a few days and gone any was.
I have an x739 and love it. The all wheel steer is a must have only second to all wheel drive being #1. I use a 54” blade with the squeegee kit. It works great and doesn’t roll up stones much. Also doesn’t scratch cement or asphalt. I use it to push snow up to about 8” and if more I use my walk behind 1330Se, had it before the x739. The plow can push more but the blower does better with bigger snow falls. The plow is awesome for the 8” and less as it is quicker. Especially for the more common 3-6” snow falls.
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I've pushed 2 feet of lighter snow and over a foot of heavy wet snow with my x738 no problem... got rid of the walk behind. Oh and my plow was widened a foot to 66" with no weights or chains or anything extra.


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I have an x739 and love it. The all wheel steer is a must have only second to all wheel drive being #1. I use a 54” blade with the squeegee kit. It works great and doesn’t roll up stones much. Also doesn’t scratch cement or asphalt. I use it to push snow up to about 8” and if more I use my walk behind 1330Se, had it before the x739. The plow can push more but the blower does better with bigger snow falls. The plow is awesome for the 8” and less as it is quicker. Especially for the more common 3-6” snow falls.
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Ok got to ask. How far you pushing it?
Lots of difference in pushing 30 or 40 feet as compared to 300 or 400 feet. That snow sure piles up fast the farther it needs to be pushed.
My driveway is 80 feet some I have done are 150... I angle my blade and push it off to the side not flat pushing it in front of me when going down a driveway.
Ok got to ask. How far you pushing it?
Lots of difference in pushing 30 or 40 feet as compared to 300 or 400 feet. That snow sure piles up fast the farther it needs to be pushed.
Yup, same here. With my 2WD 14hp 140H3 I’ve plowed out some big snowfalls, well over a foot. Traction (ballast) and dynamic hydraulic blade angling are key.

This was about 14” of heavy wet concrete snow:

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My driveway is 80 feet some I have done are 150... I angle my blade and push it off to the side not flat pushing it in front of me when going down a driveway.
It's amazing what they are capable of... 8" isn't even a challenge for a x700 series they are known for their snow moving capability. What took me 3 hours to do with a good walk behind my x738 did in 45 minutes... and that was stopping to talk to the neighbors.
Yup, same here. With my 2WD 14hp 140H3 I’ve plowed out some big snowfalls, well over a foot. Traction (ballast) and dynamic hydraulic blade angling are key.

This was about 14” of heavy wet concrete snow:
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I am not an expert, but I always thought what you are doing is technically called "plowing". Technically, "pushing" is when the blade or "box pusher" moves the snow straight ahead.

Plowing works great if there is room to move the snow to the side. I have parts of my driveway that are in a depression that makes it like a valley. There is no extra space on either side. That means I need to actually push it forward to a spot that has some room. There is a limit to how much snow anything that is actually pushing (as opposed to plowing) it can do.
I angle my blade and push it off to the side not flat pushing it in front of me when going down a driveway.
I have area's that I need to push straight ahead as well, that's why I have power angle. For example going down the length of my driveway out to the road I angle my blade and push snow off to the right side. At the end I put the blade straight and push it straight ahead to the other side of the street. Either way I'm pushing snow. For an area like your describing I would most likely push down each side first with the plow angled to move the snow to the center and then with the plow straight push the pile in the center as far as I need to until I can push it off to the side. Yes I am plowing...

Plowing, pushing matter of semantics... "Okay honey I'm going out to plow the driveway now I'll be back in as soon as I'm done pushing some snow around" . Not sure what point you are trying to make. I think in order to plow snow you have to push snow whether it's ahead of you or off to the side or is there another way?

Maybe what you are looking at is the difference between a "Snow Plow" and a "Snow Pusher"... like you said a Pusher only moves snow straight ahead of itself and captures a lot in the "box" where a Plow has the ability to move snow straight ahead losing a lot out the sides as it does or move it to the sides by angling the blade. Both of them push snow or neither would be moving anything.
I am not an expert, but I always thought what you are doing is technically called "plowing". Technically, "pushing" is when the blade or "box pusher" moves the snow straight ahead.

Plowing works great if there is room to move the snow to the side. I have parts of my driveway that are in a depression that makes it like a valley. There is no extra space on either side. That means I need to actually push it forward to a spot that has some room. There is a limit to how much snow anything that is actually pushing (as opposed to plowing) it can do.
I have gathered some here with 800lb tractors can preform miracles. I need another three hundred pounds at the front axle then just maybe the front end will stay in place.
That would put me at about 2000 lbs total.
Even that may not be enough. Mainly because the more a stability the more snow I will try to plow.
But everything has it limits.
Of course everything has it limits... machine weight, horsepower, 4 wheel drive and method (bucket, plow, pusher, snow blower) all contributing factors. But I've never seen anything I can't clear it's just a matter of how long and what method do I use. I have a 1025r so I can go from a bucket to a plow to a pusher in minutes... 2 pins and in the case of the plow 2 hydraulic couplings at the front of the tractor. My backhoe is a much bigger machine and in an open area will clear snow a lot faster than the 1 series but in a confined area is useless. I have had 5 feet of snow in my driveway, took longer than a foot of snow but it still got moved. Just needed the right "tool" for the job.

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I have gathered some here with 800lb tractors can preform miracles. I need another three hundred pounds at the front axle then just maybe the front end will stay in place.
That would put me at about 2000 lbs total.
Even that may not be enough. Mainly because the more a stability the more snow I will try to plow.
But everything has it limits.
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This is a snow pusher and why you might want one and why there is confusion about people saying they push snow with a plow. You can do that of course. But there is an actual thing called a snow pusher that can NOT be used as a plow.

The 800 lb tractor tips the scales closer to 1500lbs with ballast box, cab, and blade mounted. Or maybe it’s just the JD difference.😂


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I have gathered some here with 800lb tractors can preform miracles….
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