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Hi All,

I've got a local Simplicity dealer that I like, and I was looking at the Legacy XL (the largest Simplicity tractor you can get with a front-end loader). Looks interesting... but I can't figure out how it makes sense at the price it's at.

I priced it out, and with a 27 HP Diesel, 4x4 tractor, FEL, and 60" mid-mount mower deck, it comes to $19,054 (at my dealer). Now, that gets me a 1131 pound tractor (before FEL and mower deck), and a FEL that can lift 500 pounds.

That seems like a lot of money for a little tractor. I did a quick comparison with Bobcat's utility tractors, and the MSRP on their website for a CT225 is $18,068.51. That gets you a 27 HP diesel 4x4 tractor, FEL, and 66" mid-mount mower. But the tractor is a lot beefier at 3028 pounds, and the FEL has a lifting force of 1225 pounds and a breakout of just under a ton (1904 pounds).

On the Kubota side, the closest I could find on a quick search was the BX2660. It has only a 25.5 HP engine, and according to Kubota's website, MSRP comes in at $17,349 with loader and mid-mount mower. The loader max lift at 500mm forward, max height is 518 pounds, and the breakout is 992 pounds.

So is there something about the Simplicity Legacy XL that I'm missing? How can it command a higher price than the Kubota or the Bobcat?
 

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Me neither I'm not going to start a fight either. I have the Legacy XL 4X4 but with the Kohler engine and I have the 60" deck & FEL. Unless prices have gone through the roof when I bought my FEL I believe I paid 3K for it. Going off Simplicity's website the Diesel 4X4 with the 60" Deck comes to 14,145.00 and the dealer is saying the FEL is 4,909.00??
For the total that you came up with. So the dealer quoted you list price on everything.
There is a dealer in Ft.Wayne, IN that I know could give you one heck of a price and they do deliver. Their website is:www.muttonpower.com. You could contact them and get a price and then you would have something to work with, with your dealer.
The only thing I can tell you is that the XL is one quality piece and you can put that loader on in less than a minute. I have not had any experience with the Bob Cat nor the Kubota.
 

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I have a 2004 reg Legacy that I got with 13 hrs total when I bought it. It came with 60 in deck and 2 stage blower. I paid around 3 grand. The invoice new was almost 12. Would I pay that for a tractor this size? No way. All, and I mean all small tractors are grossly overpriced.:trink40:
 

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Another thing to consider is what is your main use for this tractor??
 

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I'm not meaning to start a fight, I just want to be well-informed about all the options. I've looked at John Deere, Kubota, Cub Cadet, and Bobcat. So far the most interesting seems to be the Bobcat but I've by no means made up my mind.

I wasn't even aware that Simplicity made something with an FEL, and when I found out I decided I needed to learn more. This particular dealer has been good for smaller items and is very close by.

Andy, you are exactly on for the prices. Here's what the dealer quoted me:

$12,095 tractor
$2050 60" mower deck
$4100 FEL
$509 subframe for FEL
$300 FEL and subframe installation

$4100+$509+$300 = $4909 total for the FEL.

My use for the tractor will be 60% mowing (6 acres), 20% grading (1000 foot gravel driveway), and 20% FEL working (moving dirt, mulch, wood chips, manure, pulling up fence posts--and whatever else I think of :))

Thanks for the lead in Mutton Power Equipment.
 

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This particular dealer stopped stocking the Legacy XL because "nobody buys them" he said. I got the idea that he's given up hope on selling them, but he was willing to take some time and look in his books to get me prices on everything.
 

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Sounds like the dealer is trying to hit a home run! I would buy the kubota... I love simplicity but when your talking new prices of some of the stuff its just foolish.
 

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Yes the prices he quoted you were list prices. I think it all depends on where you live as to what the dealer would stock. I know around by me the XL is hard to find being that the yards are small and they feel no need to bring in a machine of this size. I have just under 2 acres and it works great for what I want to do, not to mention the great cut simplicity has over all of them out there. Another nice feature on the XL is the shift on the fly 4 wheel drive which I think they are the only ones with this feature. I have never heard of someone complaining about the Kubota and from what I have heard it is one fine machine. It just boils down to what your needs are and your preference of MFG.
 

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I bought an older legacy this past summer and love it. One differance between the tractors is the weight. Remember that when choosing your machine. My son-in-law owns a kabota with a fel, and I've mowed for him a couple of times. I would not want to mow with a fel on any machine. My simplicity out mows his kabota and he has a larger deck. If I were buying new and had my son-in-laws 6 acres, I'd buy the kabota, for my 1 1/2 I'd buy the Simplicity. Both are very good tractors. The kabotas we have in the yard shop at work are about the same size as the legacy. I would prefer the legacy over those, as they don't mow very well. They took the mowers off and just use them for moving mulch around .
 

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Why is that overpriced? What other 27 HP diesel tractor with mid-mount mower and FEL can you for $14,000?

Maybe I'm just talking to all the wrong dealers? :)
 

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Who is the dealer in Charlottesville? Maybe I can use them for leverage at my local dealer.
 

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I'm not meaning to start a fight, I just want to be well-informed about all the options. I've looked at John Deere, Kubota, Cub Cadet, and Bobcat. So far the most interesting seems to be the Bobcat but I've by no means made up my mind.

I wasn't even aware that Simplicity made something with an FEL, and when I found out I decided I needed to learn more. This particular dealer has been good for smaller items and is very close by.

Andy, you are exactly on for the prices. Here's what the dealer quoted me:

$12,095 tractor
$2050 60" mower deck
$4100 FEL
$509 subframe for FEL
$300 FEL and subframe installation

$4100+$509+$300 = $4909 total for the FEL.

My use for the tractor will be 60% mowing (6 acres), 20% grading (1000 foot gravel driveway), and 20% FEL working (moving dirt, mulch, wood chips, manure, pulling up fence posts--and whatever else I think of :))

Thanks for the lead in Mutton Power Equipment.
Glad to help.
 

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As a happy Legacy owner (x2) I have to chime in also.

I actually went through somewhat of the same dilemma when I was looking as I was looking at the Bobcat tractors and the Legacy.
The Bobcat CT120 at the time was around $ 17k with FEL and mid mount mower. A Legacy with Diesel and FEL was around the same cost.

I also looked a the CT230 at the time and I think that one came out at around $19k.

Both of the Bobcats are much bigger and heavier tractors than the Legacy and have higher lifting capacity. For me however where I need a good lawnmower they were simply too heavy. I have flat clay ground and a 3,000 lbs tractor will simply not work for mowing as it would leave big ruts in the ground. I would not be able to use a large tractor around my property without damaging the ground.
It would also be rather large to park in the garage and the attachments to it are expensive.

The Legacy was a much better fit for me. I think the big advantage here is the option of having the Legacy with a gas engine. This will shave around $ 3k off the price and will give you much the same performance (although maybe not longevity). Although I would love the diesel it is not worth that kind of money to me. And if my Kohler lasts its rated 2000 hours it will be around 40 years usage for me, so I am OK with that.

I think the market for the Legacy is for private people like me that needs a large lawn mower and like the option of using the FEL for landscaping projects. There are really no other tractors out that I am aware of that fits the small footprint of the Legacy or the versatility. (I think Kubota might have something but I think it is still larger). If this was to be used on a farm or commercially I agree that there may be more solid tractors available for near the same price. But they serce a different purpose.
The Legacy is not a full blown tractor and it was not really supposed to be one. That is what is good about it.
I really like that it is as easy to work on as a garden tractor as it has enabled me to by used at reasonable prices and fix them up to give me great some great equipment.

After selling two Craftsman GT5000 units with snowblower and snow blade, I was out $ 5k for the following setup:

2000 Legacy - 20 hp Kohler
54" mower deck
FEL
47" 2 stage snowblower
3 point hitch
Extra set of rims with Ag tires on

1999 Agco Allis 2025 (Legacy) - 25 hp Kohler
60" Mower deck
60" snow/dozer blade

Obviously I am biased as I have these two and love them. :trink39:
 

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Me too I just love my Legacy XL & Prestige. They are all expensive but you really have to compare let's say the Legacy XL & say the Kubota what does one have that the other doesn't. I think Simplicity is the only one that is all steel, hood,fender's etc and their mower decks are built like a tank not to mention how easy they are to remove.Another nice feature is you can leave the mower on and use the FEL.
 

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I guess it's like buying a car too. How much are you willing to spend to stay in graces with your dealer.

Personally I absolutely love my XL. It's also the diesel with 60" deck and FEL. When I was looking, I compared the JD, Kubota, Cub, NH and the Massey Ferguson (which is the same as the Legacy XL). Like some others here, I shopped around and found a dealer who was selling a demo, so I got a great deal.

There are a bunch of older threads here that really get into the uses of the tractor, including a friend who uses his commercially, so you might want to look them up.

I plan on leaving mine to my kids in 25-30 years when I'm 6 feet under, so that should tell you what I personally think of them.:thThumbsU
 

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I don't know how far away you are from Allison Park,PA there is a dealer with clearance items on Simplicity. They have the Legacy XL 4X4 with the diesel and the 60" deck for $11,948.00 it's a new 2010 model. Their name is: Critchlow Enterprises Inc.
PH 724-443-0260.
 
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