Well, I was at the scrap yard 2 days ago and seen a pair of Massy gts. One was a 12 and the other is a 14. They are in very nice shape. Dont tell me to go buy them. So I'am doing the next best thing, letting you all know. I forgot my plastic buckets there because I couldent believe my eyes. I plan to get some picts. tommrow if they are still there. Both had mower decks and are in nice shape. The MF 14 was very impressive,..I liked the u-joint connection to the motor. The MF 12 I could not believe how thick the belt was. The man is very reasonable with prices. He would hold them for me, I'am sure.