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Reading a few minutes ago about new engine OEM manufactures and what this means as far as oil goes..

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Soooo annoying and aggravating!
I wish they'd leave stuff alone.
I would prefer all engines be similar to let's say around 1993-2005 tech.
I wouldn't want to go back to carburetors and distributor caps. Regular fuel injection and coil packs or coil for each cylinder is nice and convenient. And I have no concern about the fuel mileage. Sure a 4.6 or 5.4 in a Ford truck is going to get worse mileage than a four cylinder in a Honda. But I have no complaints with the awesome gas mileage The Hondas the Toyotas the 4-cylinder GM's and the Saturn's got in this period.
They're futzing around with stuff it doesn't need to be done.
You're never going to get much gas mileage with a large displacement V8 engine with tons of torque pulling heavy loads. We have been in the mindset for decades at we want these large V8 engines when we really don't need them. I have a 2001 Expedition with a 5. 4 that gets lousy gas mileage. I don't know how many horsepower it has but it could have half as much and it would still be fine with us. We have never towed anything with it and never had over six people sitting in it at any given time.
But somehow large SUV is with 4 cylinder engines didn't sound like a good idea. Few had six cylinders.
Now I love turbochargers and superchargers for performance but not necessarily for daily drivers longevity. I haven't seen a turbocharged car yet that didn't have some type of issue or need the turbo replaced sometime in its life.
I just think they've gone about it all wrong. Mainly because they have to try to balance what government standards are versus what the market wants. The market is very fickle.
I have owned many Lincoln Town Cars and I love them. I absolutely hate the new Replacements and will probably never own one. I don't want a turbo for in a luxury car and I barely consider these luxury cars.
A lot of the Town Cars had 180 horsepower in the nineties and then I think the touring sedans with the duals ended up having right at 200 or maybe barely over.
It's a Lincoln. It's not the Super Coupe with
The twin cam Cobra motor. I never kicked them down. I dry them like an old man with a walnut under the pedal. It's a big heavy car but they could have put a 4-cylinder or an inline 5-cylinder or a nice little V6 (just not any of ford's regular v6s) and I would have been just as happy. Then I could still have my nice style car and better gas mileage. I don't need all this cylinder canceling, crazy spark advance, engines turning off at stop lights, turbos and everything else.
The years that I mentioned we're pretty much when they had everything figured out. All they had to do was not skimp on components and the durability is quite awesome. But now they have to go and jumble things around and change the whole drawing board with a clean slate and screw everything up and cause problems.

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I agree,all this new technology they call "progress" is actually a step backwards more often than not..they never leave well enough alone..

We now have cars that paralell park themselves,stop automatically if something dashes out in front of the car,even cars that do not need a driver,and dont even have a steering wheel!..

I'm betting all the above "gee whiz" features will either fail in a few years,or go bezerk and cause serious crashes and injuries..then who does your insurance company sue for damages ?--the computer chip ?..

I grew up with carbs, and points,distributor caps and plug wires,and got to know my way around under a hood pretty darn well--now today,I open a hood and feel as clueless as I did when I saw my first engine--though I do understand the theory behind the "new" computer controlled engines,I still do not know why things have had to "progress" to the point a simple vehicle is now as complex as the first Apollo moon rocket,and many mechanics cant even figure out whats wrong with them half the time,even with all the fancy diagnostic equipment that they must buy for thousands of dollars..

In my opinion timing belts and "interference engines" are the worst design they ever invented--completely stupid! is insanity to me,to design an engine that will self-destruct instantly once the belt jumps a tooth or breaks..this had to be planned by greedy manufacturers,knowing the belt would likely last just long enough to outlive the warranty..but then,you cannot overheat one of todays aluminum engines once without them having severe damage or just plain destroyed,they litterally melt..old cast iron engines you could run until they glowed at night and suffered only a head gasket failure or maybe a cracked head..

They are making it hard to typical working people to own a car--they cant repair it themselves for the most part,every sensor and component is very expensive,and most of the time swapping a new one on is the only way to determine if that was the issue--if your lucky it'll "fix" it,if not,whatever defect caused the part to fail will destroy the new one--and "no returns on electrical parts"..

Fuel injection is a great improvement,but it requires a computer and several sensors to work..more things to go bad ,and not always easy to figure out what one is faulty..
I can deal with a hand choke and the few other quirks a carb has,in the name of simplicity..

I liked the GM HEI ignition setup,compared to points--though it still needed plug wires,and the modules could fail without warning or crap out intermittently--at least you could diagnose the trouble fairly easily..but in a bind,I'd rather have a good old "antique" with a carb,points,etc,that I can work on old cast iron straight six is what I'd not mind having today,and to think years ago I scrapped a few perfectly good ones,just to put a big block in their place...

It used to be no big deal ,if your vehicle blew a radiator hose or fan belt,or the starter or alternator failed-you could usually put one on yourself,on the side of the road..
Today's cars ,no way,you may as well prepare to get your vehicle towed,and have it spend a few hours on a lift to replace a stupid serpentine belt,some cars I've owned required the y-pipe and front drive shaft and several other parts removed to install an alternator or starter...what used to be a minor expense and inconvenience,now costs you $500+ bucks,before your vehicle is driveable again..
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