Opinions on Potential Buy?

I'm pretty sure the 4120 is a diesel. If I recall correctly, the hydraulic attachments (such as the tiller) for the diesel series are specific to them, so finding a package deal is desirable.
Someone else will be able to comment on the price and what kind of deal it is. "Sylvester Calzone" has a diesel and will probably have a few words about this one.

4120 is an all hydraulic machine, deck, blower & tiller all run from the pump. P220 Onan powered machine. I can't tell from the pics if it may have power steering and he just left it out of the description.

Price is a little high I think, but if the condition, hours and maintenance history are right it may be worth it. That is nice package.

The attachment hyd motors are pricey if/when one is needed, esp on the mower since it normally gets more hours.

Thanks for the replies fellas.:thanku:

Well, the seller claims that this model is ALL hydraulic. According to him, there are absolutely NO BELTS whatsoever. Supposedly the deck connects with hoses, as well as the snowblower.

Is there such a critter as this?

He says it is not diesel, it's a 20hp Onan ...couldnt recall the # of hours :dunno:

Thanks.
Dave

Everything has been said as far as I can tell...This is a great machine to work with. 20hp Onan (cared for with adequate oil) it will last a good long time, the hydraulic motors for the implements are expensive when they fail, however they are very durable and capable with that a mid 90's machine it is a bit expensive but if you have the money you won't be disappointed with the performance. I know they made a 4020ps with power steering although the 4120 may have power steering by default (not sure).

Good Luck...

You beat me to the draw antique :trink40:
At least I came up with the same answers that you already knew ...lol.

Now I am trying to figure out the actual advantages to that setup.:dunno:
Go hydraulic or go home perhaps?:smilie_fl:bannana:

What kind of an average life expectancy do these motors have?

the 4120 is all hydraulic onan powered 20hp, yes with power steering.
the good thing about this package is that you have the correct implements that are built for the AH series and harder to find then the more common belt drive.
another thing to ask is wether or not it has a sleeve hitch or 3 point for that tiller
if he has the right tiller it should be a side drive, no big deal if it isnt I run a regular one on my diesel.

make sure you get the seller to hook up every attachment, mowerdeck, snowcaster and the tiller

what you want to look for are leaks at the hydraulic motors, if any oil see if the hyd fittings are seeping any oil out at the fittings (that just means new hoses or spin a wrench, nothing wrong) if its a serious leak motor wise you should notice. if you see anything out of the ordinary use that in negotiating price, as others have said these hyd motors are expensive.

I was going to jump at a 4120 locally, similar setup for $3000, snowcaster with weights, mower and hydravac missing the trailer just had the hyd housing. the biggest problem was that the mower deck motor was shot, dealer tried to rebuild it but it kept blowing out. I was negotiating with a dealer, you on the other hand are not so hopefully more wiggle room on price.

power steering is very nice to have!

OK, thanks again for the replies, keep in mind that I learn something from each one :thanku: :not_worth:not_worth

It is a 3-point hitch, so that's a good thing.:drunkie:

So, I am trying to visualize what actually would be different with this tractor than a 4020. Near as I can figger, the major difference is the attachments. The deck and the blower would engage via what would be the hyd. PTO valve located between your legs and under the seat then??? No lever or switch to engage a clutch that isn't there, right? So, does this version of the Onan not have a shaft protruding toward the front then? What is located between the engine and the grill, if anything??? A cooler the size of Lake Michigan?:swow:

Sorry for all the questions, but just when I thought I was starting to get all this stuff straight with the "mechanical clutch" vs. the electric clutch and the reversed rotation, yada yada yada, this concept comes along :banghead3 :banghead3

OK, by "expensive" for the motors, what are we talking here?

I am just trying to figure out if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

Holy crap, with power steering too ...anybody got the hydraulic flow diagram for this critter? ...starting to get the feeling that a piping diagram of a nuclear power plant would be less complex mg:

The parts manuals for the tractors are freely available from the manufacturer's website. The company's name is Eastman Industries. The issue with the hydraulic motors is one of replacement cost. They are not exactly directly replacable with a generic motor; though a decent machine shop can help you if you need a less expensive fix.

The ad doesn't give a lot of details ... but there is a lot of equipment there.

I've seen the hydraulic snowblowers trade for $1000 ... hard to find. Tiller and 3 point hitch with adaptor are worth $1000.

All 4120's have power steering, there is a cooler somewhat smaller than Lake Michigan in front of the engine, and the hydraulics are less complicated than your average skid steer loader. Truly no belts.

As noted, the downside is if an implement motor fails, they can be very hard or expensive to get back in working shape.

It that package was close to me, I would have seen it already and had an offer in ...

Brian

Thanks Brian,

Are all of the hydraulic mower decks a 3-pt mount?
I am still trying to figure out the lift cylinder also.
Is there a "belly" lift cylinder AND the 3-pt hitch lift cylinder? Or, are all lifting duties done with the hitch lift? How is the snowblower lifted?

There are several photos that are pretty good on this ebay ad:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-NICE-INGERSOLL-4120-GARDEN-TRACTOR-W-MOWER-BLADE-/280669974912

So, on the front end of the engine, there is only the cooling fan?

And, one more: Are there hydraulic hose connections at the front of the tractor?

bhildret said:

The ad doesn't give a lot of details ... but there is a lot of equipment there.

I've seen the hydraulic snowblowers trade for $1000 ... hard to find. Tiller and 3 point hitch with adaptor are worth $1000.

All 4120's have power steering, there is a cooler somewhat smaller than Lake Michigan in front of the engine, and the hydraulics are less complicated than your average skid steer loader. Truly no belts.

As noted, the downside is if an implement motor fails, they can be very hard or expensive to get back in working shape.

It that package was close to me, I would have seen it already and had an offer in ...

Brian

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To the OP ^ see that post? That is Brian, the dealer sayin if he could he would already have an offer in for it...Does that tell ya something? Like another poster indicated check each implement, check for leaks look for the obvious stuff...then see where the seller would go with price...GL

no not all hydraulic mower decks are 3 point mountable. those are specific.

the belly cylinder is responsible for the mower deck, and front attachments such as the snowcaster and blade, these use a rod that runs on the side of the tractor linking to the pivot next to the footrest.

the 3 point is for rear implements, unless selector valve equiped the 3 point runs in unison with the mid lift. a selector valve would make it convenient for example to run snowcaster on the front and rear blade operating dependently.

yes front fan.

no connectons at the front, just the rear. snowcaster uses long hyd hoses to run to the back of the tractor.

longman said:

Thanks Brian,

Are all of the hydraulic mower decks a 3-pt mount?
I am still trying to figure out the lift cylinder also.
Is there a "belly" lift cylinder AND the 3-pt hitch lift cylinder? Or, are all lifting duties done with the hitch lift? How is the snowblower lifted?

There are several photos that are pretty good on this ebay ad:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-NICE-INGERSOLL-4120-GARDEN-TRACTOR-W-MOWER-BLADE-/280669974912

So, on the front end of the engine, there is only the cooling fan?

And, one more: Are there hydraulic hose connections at the front of the tractor?

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There is only 1 pump ... but it is a tandem.

The primary cavity is a high output section which runs the implements and drive system.

The secondary is relatively small output, which is reserved for the power steering.

Brian

$3500.00 for that package is an excellent price as long as the engine runs good with no knocks or smoke and if all the attachments are in good working order without leaks. Now I may be touching some points that have already been said here but just giving my 2 cents.

4100 series tractors all had power steering and hydraulic PTO as a standard.

This one is the 20hp Onan gas engine. These were built in 92 and 93.

The diesel versions were 18hp only with a 3 cylinder Perkins diesel and were built in 93 and 94.

The tractor looks to be in pretty fair condition in the photos but you just never know until you go look at it. If it all checks out good the tractor is worth at least $2000 to $2800 with deck not including 3pt hitch. Snow blower looks like it has minimal use and is worth $1000+ easy. This tractor most likely has an HH34 3pt hitch on it which is worth another $700.00. The 3pt to sleeve hitch adapter for hooking up the tiller is worth another $150 to $200. The tiller it's self depending on condition is worth a bit. Prices are all over the brd on them. If it is an end drive unit in great condition and the tines don't appear to have much wear then depending on location your somewhere between $800 to $1200. Price goes down from there regarding condition and wear and if it is the earlier center drive style. Or you can go buy a new tiller for $2500. Bottom line- If everything is in nice condition in all works as it should with no gushing leaks it is a very good price.

Dan