[Frenchie]

I have an 1855 Oliver Diesel that recently had an in frame overhaul. It starts great when cold and runs good but once it gets warmed up good if you shut it off it will not start again for about an hour, then it starts fine. Had the starter rebuilt and it turns over plenty fast to start. Anyone have any ideas what the problem might be??? Thanks for any help.

 

[jdemaris]

I have an 1855 Oliver Diesel that recently had an in frame overhaul. It starts great when cold and runs good but once it gets warmed up good if you shut it off it will not start again for about an hour, then it starts fine. Had the starter rebuilt and it turns over plenty fast to start. Anyone have any ideas what the problem might be??? Thanks for any help.

Does it have a Stanadyne/Roosamaster rotary injection pump? If so, that is a typical problem when the head & rotor assembly is worn inside the pump. Starts good cold, runs good cold and hot, but will not start hot. Easy test is just do this. When hot, turn it off. Then pour cool water over the pump. Then try to start. If it then starts right up, that is the problem. Do NOT pour cold water on the hot pump when the engine is running - make sure it is off.
This is a common problem in Iraq on military Humvees that also use Standyne/Roosamaster pumps.

There are sometimes work-arounds if you don't want to spend money on the pump. Get it turning over even faster, and maybe try turning up the fuel delivery. The problem is, when the pump gets worn, and it is hot, the metal expands a bit, and the fuel thins a bit - all enough so at cranking speed it won't make enough pressure to crack the injectors. So, putting in more battery power can make it crank faster and might be enough to make a difference. Check voltage right now when cranking. It should be around 9 to 9 1/2 volts. If you increase battery size and get cranking voltage up to 10 or 10 1/2 volts, it can make a huge difference.

Also, to turn up fuel, you reach in the top with a hex Allen wrench and turn clockwise. 1/8 of a turn can sometimes make a night-and-day difference. How is the fuel setting now? Does it push any black smoke when you really lug it down?

 

[Frenchie]

Really appreciate the reply. It does have the Roosamaster rotary pump. It sounds like this may be my problem but I'm not up at the farm right now to give your suggestions a try. Didn't have the problem before the overhaul but with the change in compression and new injectors could definitely see where this could be the problem now. When pulled down it blows a little smoke but not like some I have seen that were turned up pretty good. I will try the cool water on the pump and if that works will probably price getting the pump rebuilt but I know its pretty expensive. I have noticed just recently that the pump has developed a small leak so need to get it looked at anyway. Thanks again for the post.

 

[jdemaris]

It does have the Roosamaster rotary pump.
Didn't have the problem before the overhaul but with the change in compression and new injectors could definitely see where this could be the problem now.

Did you rebuild the engine or was it done elsewhere? The change in compression isn't going to have anything to do with it.

If the probably actually began with the overhaul (and it's not just a coincidence), I can think of a few possibilities . . .

Somebody thought the engine smoked too much and turned the pump down.
Did anybody have that pump off during the rebuild??

Static injection pump timing is off a few degrees.

Rocker arms are way out of adjustment. If out of wack, they change quite a bit from a cold engine to a warm engine. And even if it was adjusted correctly at first, the new head gasket could of compressed a bit, and valve-lash would of gotten too tight. Usually after any rebuild, you're supposed to run the engine a big, retorque the cylinder head, and readjust the valves/rocker arms.

Also, if the pump is worn, and you put new injector nozzle tips in during the rebuild, they probably open now at a higher pressure. This slight increase of a few hundred PSI might be enough to cause a problem with a slightly worn, hot pump.

 

[Frenchie]

I didn't do the rebuild myself and the guy told me he didn't touch the pump. I would bet it's the pump but probably need to have valves/rocker arms checked too. I guess I can try the water on the pump and if that seems to work pretty much know that is my problem.