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As the New Year approaches, I started thinking about the kids that will be born in 2012. Unless exposed by their Parents or Grandparents to the Joys of 2 and 4 wheel Gravely Tractors, they will never know a world where there is/are:

no backup switches on machines
no zero turn mowers
no non-vented gas cans
no electric mower clutches

What else can you think of?
 

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To be honest and truthful, I'd never heard of gravely until I bought my 16G. Only here and a few others...I had realized there was a such a large following! I was born in '83. I bought it because I thought it was built well. It don't take a rocket surgeon to know they are tanks. Outside materials alone show longevity.

I remember growing up and dad always changed the oil on his tractors (loyal wheel horse guy) *near the woods. :)
Also, I vividly remember his first four wheeler, a 1986 TRX 250.
 

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Cast iron. How much do you suppose is in a modern big box mower?
Well I guess maybe the crankshaft. Even most rods are now aluminum.
 

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I am expecting my first grandchild in 2012, and you can be sure he/she will know a great deal about Gravely's before getting old enough to operate one.

Adding to your list:
No OSHA required operator sensor controls
Tractors that will mow in reverse
Engineering that will last a lifetime or 2, 3, 4 or more
Engines with no plastic parts
Tractors with no electronic 'brain'
 

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Personally, given the level of complexity to the logic involved, I am surprised that there aren't more computer based controls on a modern tractor. Just the safety logic can be a daunting task to troubleshoot. Any of the 4 wheel or two wheel tractors are a breeze to troubleshoot. I suppose it is cheaper to install a bunch of relays and wire than a $50 controller. Gravely has kept it pretty simple on the zero turns, but other brands can be a nightmare.
 

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One more item for the list.

Mower guards. The 40" commercial deck is an excellent example of what the next generation will likely never see.

 

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Don't forget gear drive transmissions and snowthrowers that can really throw snow.

As a third generation Gravely owner I can almost guarantee my kids will be well informed about all of the above, as well as How To Safely Operate Dangerous Equipment. :fing32: Don't get that in school, barring a shop class.

Personally, given the level of complexity to the logic involved, I am surprised that there aren't more computer based controls on a modern tractor. Just the safety logic can be a daunting task to troubleshoot. Any of the 4 wheel or two wheel tractors are a breeze to troubleshoot. I suppose it is cheaper to install a bunch of relays and wire than a $50 controller.
Cheaper and simpler, both. I'm a little surprised micros aren't used more, too, but darn glad. A typical $2 micro could handle all your interlock and control needs - and probably engine sensors as well - but why? You can do pretty much the same thing with those switches, relays, and wire that are off the shelf, simple, and proven. (Note I didn't say reliable. ;)) Using a micro you have the added costs, hassles, and potential failure points associated with ruggedization for vibration and temperature, weatherproofing, power supply stabilization, driving high-power electrical loads, etc. You don't even have much benefit to parts count - you still have to have all the same switches and wire. You do have the advantage of adding a password start feature by inputting morse code via presence control, though. :D

Anyway, off my hobby horse - my inner electronics geek is showing. I hope hard logic isn't one of the things our kids never see, especially on yard equipment.

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Another: open sprocket chain drive starters on Model L's with starter switch nearby.
 

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Being not only intersted in old tractors, but in old houses, old cars, old trains, etc, I have done as much as possible to teach my adult children and my grandchildren about older technology of all kinds.

We live in a house built in 1901, which we have lovingly restored retaining much of the original features - solid wood doors w/mortise locks, slate roof, original woodwork, original plaster walls, etc.

There is a lot of "nearly lost" technology out there in all these subjects - hopefully at least a few of the next generation will get the chance to understand just how well built a GRAVELY tractor was, or the craftsmanship that went into a home 100 years ago, or how complex a steam locomotive was.

And maybe learn that safety is a behavior not a complex accessory on a machine, or an unnecessary expense in building a home.

But what do I know, I'm just a hick with a pickup, a GRAVELY, an old house, some model trains, and now one MORE gun - the wife gave me a Ruger Mini 14 for Christmas - shooting lessons for all grandchildren in a few years!

Sheldon
 

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And maybe learn that safety is a behavior not a complex accessory on a machine, or an unnecessary expense in building a home.
But what do I know, I'm just a hick with a pickup, a GRAVELY, an old house, some model trains, and now one MORE gun - the wife gave me a Ruger Mini 14 for Christmas - shooting lessons for all grandchildren in a few years!

Sheldon
Now that the lawyers make everything, that will never be part of the future.

I had need to buy a chainsaw last year after not being around one for many years. It is nearly in-operable for all the complex safty fail safes built in. I refer to it as the chainsaw the lawyers built.
 

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There is one consolation. You will never see a statue erected to pay homage to a personal injury attorney.
 

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Now that the lawyers make everything, that will never be part of the future.

I had need to buy a chainsaw last year after not being around one for many years. It is nearly in-operable for all the complex safty fail safes built in. I refer to it as the chainsaw the lawyers built.
Get a Professional grade pole saw and the only thing on it will be the operator on the controls.
 
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