I find that the L's are the ones that are less safe and backwards. If the tractor runs away from you going backwards you don't think, pull back. You think, shove forward. You have to learn to operate an L. And Joe Consumer isn't that smart now days.And the controls have been backwards ever since. :dunno:
+1. Using the lever on my Ls is a habit, just like the controls on the 853 BCS. I can even keep my 5-speed Civic straight from my parents' 4-speed Civic. Same year but slightly different transmissions and I have yet to forget to shift out of 4th in mine or accidentally try to shift into a nonexistent 5th in theirs. I think I just don't have enough hours behind the '73 CI with the changed FWD/REV setup or any of the other newer Gravelys.I'm just the opposite. I operate the L's on autopilot but have to to think through every move on the others.
I have many more hours with tractors that are F=F and R=R. All Gravely's 4 wheel tractors were done correctly. All ZTRs done by Gravely were done correctly. The Ls and Cs before 1972 are the oddballs. Hook up a steering sulky to an L and most operators now days would have an accident.+1. Using the lever on my Ls is a habit, just like the controls on the 853 BCS. I can even keep my 5-speed Civic straight from my parents' 4-speed Civic. Same year but slightly different transmissions and I have yet to forget to shift out of 4th in mine or accidentally try to shift into a nonexistent 5th in theirs. I think I just don't have enough hours behind the '73 CI with the changed FWD/REV setup or any of the other newer Gravelys.
No ramps are ever used for loading tractors from ground level into my truck. Too steep an angle unless you use a ditch to get the rear down. Unloading with ramps at the house has the truck bed angled up hill with the ramps being more level so works ok.When I load an L on my pickup truck using ramps, I can keep both hands on the handle bars and just use a thumb on the F/R lever to climb the ramps.
When I load my C10 on my truck, I have to keep one hand on the F/R lever.
L's are much more user friendly when you need to keep both hands on the handle bars and creep forward, at least for me.
What truck are you driving now Roger?My ramps are eight foot 2 X 12's made from treated Southern Yellow Pine.
I have the aluminum ramp end caps on the boards and they weigh a ton.
My tailgate is three foot off the ground, and I have a concrete driveway, no hills anywhere near me. :-(
I load and unload two wheelers often.
If a tractor is not running, I rig a come-along to pull it up into the truck, and slip the clutch while in gear, using it as a brake coming down the ramps.
I have no idea what reasons Gravely engineers had, but I can think of two advantages to the old (backwards) forward/reverse lever position. First, when you put the tractor in gear to go forward, it moves forward; having the lever going down to the rear allows the operator to get in motion with the tractor and leaves the hand immediately adjacent to the handlebar. I suppose this could be considered ergonomic efficiency. Second having the forward position to the rear means that fewer low branches get snagged as you mow around the forsythia and the lilac, etc. Regardless, I agree that holding the lever forward to engage reverse is a safety issue.Back to the fed/rev lever, I always wondered why the Gravely engineers set them to act in an opposite way of the motion of the tractor. The reverse action should be adjusted in such a manner that prevents the operator from locking the lever in reverse...of course all my L's can be locked in fwd or rev, one day that is going to bite me.