Liftable Rear Hitch Questions

The 816 liftable rear hitch is different than the 8000. The 816 has two arms, one on each side of the engine and the 8000 has a single arm. While the 816 hitch can be fitted to a 8000, it does require some messing around with the rear deck clearance. My recommendation it is use the hitch designed for the tractor unless there is some compelling reason such as availability, extra strength, etc.

There were at least 3 or 4. There is the double arm version for a CCKA engine, a straight arm type for single cylinder engines and an offset arm for twin engines. The CCKA type can be used on any tractor, but it would need some extensive modifications to fit on an 8000 tractor. The offset arm will work on any 8000 or G.

You are right that there are two types of axle blocks, but they are for the old old plate and roller clutches and for the newer strap an trunnion clutches.

PA RedRider said:

How many versions of the liftable rear hitch were made? Is it generally interchangeable between the 800/8000 & G tractors? Also, with respect to the axle block, were there two versions: one for non-tapered axles and one for tapered axles? I'm looking at an 8163b with a liftable rear hitch setup I'd like to transfer over to a G series. Is this doable? Ditto for the axle block?

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If the 8163-B has the straight arm type, it will only work on a single cylinder G. If it has the offset arm, it will work on any G. What G do you want to install this on? Do you have a picture of the lift on the 8163-B?

Richard-tx said:

I am not sure about the extensive modifications to fit a 816/CCKA hitch on a 8000. When I put the CCKA from my 816 on the 8123 tractor, I also put on the liftable rear hitch. It did require some additional messing around but it wasn't too bad.

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You just have to modify the seat pan mount and brace struts. That's about as excesive as it gets.

PA RedRider said:

So to distill things down a bit, a liftable rear hitch coming off an 8163b Briggs single is likely a single non-offset arm, which in all likelihood will not work on a G with a twin cylinder engine. Is that correct?

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That is correct. But you need to see the lift hitch to know. If the dealer installed the hitch, it probably is correct. But if a user installed it, it could be anything.

arcam8123 said:

There were at least 3 or 4. There is the double arm version for a CCKA engine, a straight arm type for single cylinder engines and an offset arm for twin engines. The CCKA type can be used on any tractor, but it would need some extensive modifications to fit on an 8000 tractor. The offset arm will work on any 8000 or G.

You are right that there are two types of axle blocks, but they are for the old old plate and roller clutches and for the newer strap an trunnion clutches.

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You'd asked about the axle taper - supposed to be a non-issue as the taper is outside the axle bearing retainer.

And in my case, I chose to stick with the 800-series rear deck rather than try to make the 800-series deck support work on a later-style rear deck.

The Pro-G will require a PTO block with a flange for the bottom adjusting bolt for the forward clutch spring. There is a picture on the last page of my 816 thread.

Since I've been searching for a while for a lift hitch myself, I have a pretty good selection of pictures that I've nabbed. I may have pictures of 3 of the types Ron mentioned. Note the differences in 1) the pivot bar which attaches to the rear deck (seat pan) support and 2) the hitch weldment arms.

816:







Twin-cylinder 8000/Pro-G:







And someone on here got an 814 a while back and posted this picture of a single-cylinder lift hitch:

arcam8123 said:

You do have the 3 I was talking about.

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So the fourth style would be for a single-cylinder 8000/Pro-G with the later seat pan. I believe oldgravelys.net shows the IPL for it.

In terms of travel, Ron I believe you have an 816 and an 8000 with a lift hitch?

And these are all pictures I've snagged, none of these are my own tractors. I currently have a complete but uninstalled 816 hitch and also a partial Pro-G lift hitch sitting on a shelf.

PA RedRider said:

Informative. Thanks. At least I now know what I'm looking for. The curved straps seem to be critical pieces needed to clear the muffler.

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With any luck I'll soon be able to demonstrate a complete 816 lift hitch on a machine with a Kohler twin. I just have to start on moving the seat pan and seat pan support over to my 8179 chassis. It looks to me like the arms will clear the muffler and tins on the KT/Magnum twins.

yamato72 said:

Since I've been searching for a while for a lift hitch myself, I have a pretty good selection of pictures that I've nabbed. I may have pictures of 3 of the types Ron mentioned. Note the differences in 1) the pivot bar which attaches to the rear deck (seat pan) support and 2) the hitch weldment arms.

816:


Twin-cylinder 8000/Pro-G:

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Actually, you have 4 types. If you look at the pictures of the two hitches on the Kohler twins, you can see a difference. I just learned today that the older lift hitches for a Kohler twin are about 3/4" shorter at the seat pan bumper than the stock G seat height. If you look at the picture of the lift on the G with the turf tires, you can kind of see it's just a bit taller. It also has a bar welded to the left side that acts as a limiter to prevent the lift from going to high and banging into the bottom of the seat pan.

Learn something new every day.

yamato72 said:

Twin-cylinder 8000/Pro-G:

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Oh! I remember this one ... from an 8179KT we parted. M20S engine with a seized rod.

Hi all,
I'm a newbie here and did my introduction so now I have a question that I hope someone can answer for me. I have a 16G pro 4 wheel rider that I'm installing a liftable hitch on, and the lift strap that I have was modified in the past and I want to put it back to original length, but I do not know what that measurement is. So if you haven't figured it out by now here is my ? What is the length of a G series rider lift strap from center to center of the mounting holes.

Thanks
Larry