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So I just bought this Ford LGT 125 for a decent price, and all I was told that was required attention was the steering. When I brought it home I looked over the steering issue and saw that something fell outta the gearbox.... now I had to figure out how to get to it. I proceeded to unbolt the whole rear shell, take out all of the foot pedals, and the rim around the dash.. but that wasn't the end of that! I swear about 20bolts later I finally got to the gearbox, first thing I thought was OUCH! Some how the steering arm sheared from the huge bolt that went though the gearbox. I then took that to one of my friends who has won a few welding competitions in the tristate area in college, and he fixed it up with a really nice bead of weld. Then I go to put the arm/bolt back into the steering gear box and DANG IT! there is a driveshaft there!!! I removed all of the bolts on both of the universal joint type things and it WILL NOT BUDGE!!! This is the part where I'm ready to light the whole tractor on fire and push it over a hill!!! Can anybody give me any suggestions on how to get the driveshaft out? On my Cubs I can move my engine and get the driveshaft out cause the engine ISN'T WELDED TO THE FRAME! Any help will be greatly appreciated!
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After removing the fender pan and dash assy, the bolts should have been exposed to remove the whole steering column. You will have to remove the bolts that hold the bearing to the side of the battery tower and remove the bearing to facilitate removing and installing the column. I don't see how you can do it any other way. By the way, the only way to remove the driveshaft is to unbolt the engine from the pan to get the clearance to remove the shaft. It has centering bushings on each end that are a light press fit. Undoing the bolts won't allow you to remove the shaft.The distance between the engine and trans must be opened up about 3/4" to expose the bushing and get the shaft out. The only way to accoplish that is to unbolt the engine and move it. I hope this helps.:goodl:
 

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There is one other way. Undo the 4 screws that hold the air screen to the flywheel. Move the screen to expose the square headed set screw that retains the coupling to the crank. Loosen the screw.If you're lucky, the coupling is not seized and will slide away from the driveshaft to allow the room you need to get the shaft out. Don't be overly enthusiastic though, as most I've seen are stuck quite well.:goodl:
 

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I feel soooo dumb!, I JUST noticed the roll pin on the steering arm.... If I take that out I'm set! :duh: Thanks for your help John!
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UPDATE: The roll pin isn't comming out.... That is because it is sooo stuck that the roll pin punch got stuck AND bent into the roll pin and then snapped when I was trying to remove it! Also, none of my drillbits can even put a dent in the roll pin, they just glow red, make god awful screeching noises, and dull down. Any ideas???? I am ready to call it quits on this nightmare of a tractor!
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I thought you had already removed the steering arm before welding the shaft.
Question. Exactly what do you have removed from the tractor so I can help shed light on your situation? I'm having a hard time visualizing what you have removed and what is not. All is not lost. Once these problems are ironed out, you'll see that they are quite good as far as tractors go.
 

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Hey John, I am going to be gone all day tomorrow but thursday I will take some pictures... I think pictures will describe my situation better :)
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The cross shaft is the weak link in the Ross steering boxes. Seems like when they machined the cross shaft, they put a straight cot at the step of the shaft, causing a weak spot. When I made my cross shaft I put a bevel cut to relieve some of the stress on that point.

Removing the steering column is a nightmare on these LGT tractors. Below are some if not most of the steps that need to be done.



1: remove seat

2: remove brake and forward and reverse pedals

3: Remove steering wheel

4: remove fender pan

5: remove dash assembly

6: remove bolts out of the dash tower so it can be lifted

7: disconnect the steering drag link on the side of the tractor

8: disconnect the front drive shaft from engine so it moves to the
side

9: knock the pin/bolt out of the drag link on the side of the tractor
where it hooks the the cross shaft of the steering box

10: remove the bearing from the cross shaft, should be two small set
screws that hold it to the cross shaft and two bolts that hold it on
the side of the tractor.

11: remove the bolts that hold the steering box in place, some on the
dash tower near the shifter and some under the dash

12: try sliding the steering box to the side and downward past the
drive shaft, you have to make sure the cross shaft clears the hole in
the side of the tractor, and clears the drive shaft. You might have
to remove the drive shaft completely.


At least this is how mine had to come out and what had to be done


Hope this helps



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I am in the process of fixing this same problem. The cross shaft on my LGT 146 has sheared in half as well.

How does the steering wheel come off? I removed the nut from the top of the column, but cant figure out how to get the steering wheel off.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Anytime you want to drill in something hard just use a cement bit... Drill slow they break easy, but they will drill through anything... You might need to sharpin them a hair...
 

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*Bump!* Well, the Ford is sitting in a million pieces under a tarp and I have been searching high and low for that dang steering arm/box/column. I have decided to go the hard route and retrofit a John Deere (yes I know... JD...) power steering system to the Ford so I never have to deal with the pin shearing, snapping, stripping ect. When I get everything needed I will surely start a new thread on the process and answer any questions about the conversion :D
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This is a problem on many different tractors using these Ross steering columns. Many of us including myself have broken the steering wheel when trying to remove them.

Plenty of PB-Blaster and patients is the key, along with using a steering wheel puller. Over in my group I have photos of different types of pullers that members have made.

The tapping the nut while it is loose is one method, while your sitting in the seat and supporting the steering wheel with your legs while tapping the nut that holds the steering wheel on.

I myself like the steering wheel puller.

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I am in the process of fixing this same problem. The cross shaft on my LGT 146 has sheared in half as well.

How does the steering wheel come off? I removed the nut from the top of the column, but cant figure out how to get the steering wheel off.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

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When adding the power steering. Be very careful with the stroke of the cylinder you use. I made the mistake the first time and did not check for the correct stroke. The cylinder stroke was to long and it broke the cast iron axle in half.

I just did a survey in my group on this topic of the stroke of the drag link, most said it was 5 inches

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*Bump!* Well, the Ford is sitting in a million pieces under a tarp and I have been searching high and low for that dang steering arm/box/column. I have decided to go the hard route and retrofit a John Deere (yes I know... JD...) power steering system to the Ford so I never have to deal with the pin shearing, snapping, stripping ect. When I get everything needed I will surely start a new thread on the process and answer any questions about the conversion :D
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just to clarify the engine being welded to the frame. It isn't. That is the welded engine mount. The engine still unbolts. I thought the same thing when I 1st got my jake gt12.
 
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