Wonder what EXACTLY the differences are between the series I and II. I've got a 317 with the spec number of 24191, and my cousin just bought a 317 with a spec number of 24301. The outsides of the engines look identical so far. What are all the internal differences? Could I take mine and make it a series II?
KT17 - Series I vs Series II
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Everything about them looks almost the same. Series 1 engine are pressurized spray lube while the Series 2 are full pressure. No you can't change a Series 1 into a Series 2 that I know of.:trink40:
The Series 2 has the capability to have a oil filter added to it.
If you do a search you will find a lot of reading about them.
Mine has a Series 1, but am not really afraid of it failing.
The Series 2 has the capability to have a oil filter added to it.
If you do a search you will find a lot of reading about them.
Mine has a Series 1, but am not really afraid of it failing.
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Here is the Kohler Manual that discusses both series.
http://www.kohlerengines.com/onlinecatalog/pdf/tp_2043_a.pdf
http://www.kohlerengines.com/onlinecatalog/pdf/tp_2043_a.pdf
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I live in Kansas so..:thThumbsU
but I bet there is still alot of Series 1's that have seen some hill duty and still are running strong? Maybe not? :trink40:
Mine has 1450 hours on it according to the meter. I know that doesn't mean much, I've only had it since 1400 hours. So, what kind of life it had before me - I don't know. I assume it's stayed on somewhat flat ground. The stickers for the Deere dealer in Seward, NE (about 70 miles away from me) are still on it. Part of those 50 hours was when I left the key on and it ran the meter until the battery died. The shop I used to work at took sealed bids to mow the property in the summer. I got the bid the first summer I worked there and I mowed the road ditch with that 317. At times I had to lean over to get the uphill tire to stay on the ground. I would say probably half of the hours I've put on were from that - I made some good money at $85 every time - and it took less than an hour!
It uses some oil, and I should probably change it more often. After I get my 300 back together (which should be soon) I'm planning on sending the 317 down the road, as I have my eyes set on a 400 that needs an overhaul.
The 317 has been a good tractor. I haven't done much to it. I did a full service when I got it, and replaced the front wheel bearings. I rebuilt the 41" mower deck - new blades, spindle bearings, tensioner idler, and both belts. I have done nothing other than mow with it and air up the occasional flat tire. It's a real horse whether mowing or blowing snow, and now with my new weight bracket I should be able to handle anything winter can throw at me! But, we've had two storms here in central Nebraska all winter totaling probably less than 12". I guess we're due! I wanna try out the new weights and lights!!!
I've got half a mind to sell it to my cousin cheap since his series II is currently stuck due to sitting outside for many years - otherwise his is a fresh rebuild that the previous owner never could get running. My cousin is kinda nervous about a series I with that many hours on it thought
It uses some oil, and I should probably change it more often. After I get my 300 back together (which should be soon) I'm planning on sending the 317 down the road, as I have my eyes set on a 400 that needs an overhaul.
The 317 has been a good tractor. I haven't done much to it. I did a full service when I got it, and replaced the front wheel bearings. I rebuilt the 41" mower deck - new blades, spindle bearings, tensioner idler, and both belts. I have done nothing other than mow with it and air up the occasional flat tire. It's a real horse whether mowing or blowing snow, and now with my new weight bracket I should be able to handle anything winter can throw at me! But, we've had two storms here in central Nebraska all winter totaling probably less than 12". I guess we're due! I wanna try out the new weights and lights!!!
I've got half a mind to sell it to my cousin cheap since his series II is currently stuck due to sitting outside for many years - otherwise his is a fresh rebuild that the previous owner never could get running. My cousin is kinda nervous about a series I with that many hours on it thought
Haha. I like it Sonny T!!! I'll have to rub that in his face. Hopefully he'll see this thread.
Would I see any benefit in switching to synthetic oil?
Trying not to open too big of a can of worms here....... I've seen the oil debates get pretty heated before so lets just keep this one cool. I want real life experience here from guys who have been running the stuff.....not some results from a lab in a controlled environment
Would I see any benefit in switching to synthetic oil?
Trying not to open too big of a can of worms here....... I've seen the oil debates get pretty heated before so lets just keep this one cool. I want real life experience here from guys who have been running the stuff.....not some results from a lab in a controlled environment
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Hahahaha good point! If we can't get the engine in mine free, I've about got myself convinced to do a repower. We shall see...
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If you do a repower, please do a thread on it. There are many of us that would follow it close. And don't scrap the Series 2 motor!:fing32:
Jake:
With that amount of hours, I would stay with what you are using. I have always run regular30 wt in my Custom 6 and Murry, but just getting the 317 on Black Friday, I did bite the bullet and change it to 10w30 for the winter.
Ben is alot better at taking pictures than I am. I'm redoing my 300 and I've taken like 4 pictures the whole time. I'm about done - just need to get the engine back together.
I think I've figured it out. I'm the mechanic and he can be the documenter. Yeah - I made up a word for it....
The funny thing is, Cub Cadet used the KT17 in the 782's and I think the 682's and when you hop to their forum you don't see a whole lot of posts about them blowing up. Who knows, maybe Deere guys just run harder because they know the rest of the machine can handle it.
This 300 has never ran before. I'm not too worried about the hydro. The 400 I'm trying to get is in pieces. I'm not really worried about it either. I know things can happen, but these things seem to be bulletproof.
My 317 still runs strong enough I can do a wheelie with the 49 snowblower on. I have wheel weights, chains on my turfs, and a custom built weight bracket with 600 lbs on it (probably should loose a few), a cozy cab, and myself at 230 lbs (also, could probably loose a few). I was driving around the other day on the gravel street by my house at half throttle and creeping alot I pegged the hydro and did a small wheelie.
My snow rig equipped like it is weighs 2260 with me in the seat. Funny thing is, my wife's Saturn SL weighs like 2500.....
I think I've figured it out. I'm the mechanic and he can be the documenter. Yeah - I made up a word for it....
The funny thing is, Cub Cadet used the KT17 in the 782's and I think the 682's and when you hop to their forum you don't see a whole lot of posts about them blowing up. Who knows, maybe Deere guys just run harder because they know the rest of the machine can handle it.
This 300 has never ran before. I'm not too worried about the hydro. The 400 I'm trying to get is in pieces. I'm not really worried about it either. I know things can happen, but these things seem to be bulletproof.
My 317 still runs strong enough I can do a wheelie with the 49 snowblower on. I have wheel weights, chains on my turfs, and a custom built weight bracket with 600 lbs on it (probably should loose a few), a cozy cab, and myself at 230 lbs (also, could probably loose a few). I was driving around the other day on the gravel street by my house at half throttle and creeping alot I pegged the hydro and did a small wheelie.
My snow rig equipped like it is weighs 2260 with me in the seat. Funny thing is, my wife's Saturn SL weighs like 2500.....
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I don't have that much weight. I got 70 lbs of wheel weights and then my rear weight/toolbox I made out of a I beam. weights about another 70 lbs. The weight box has been enough for the Custom 6 in past years so it and the wheel weights should be enough for the 317 I hope. :trink40:
I've had pretty good luck with wheel weights and chains in the past. I got some Carlise Tru Power's for the 300. I'm hoping to just run weight and forget the chains. I tried it with the turf's on the 317 with just wheel weights and that lasted about 1 minute. Put the chains on and it was a whole different animal. BUT chains will scuff up the concrete, and I'm not fond of that now that I own my place. When I was renting in the past I didn't care.....:howdy:
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I do not own a 317, but a 300 series GT is on the radar when I finish my 210.
Here`s an enlightening bit on the 300 series. Click on tractor.
http://weekendfreedommachines.com/info/index.php
Here`s an enlightening bit on the 300 series. Click on tractor.
http://weekendfreedommachines.com/info/index.php
In case you're interested. I just completed a repower of a 317.
I am still in the process of outfitting it for snow removal. But then again, I haven't had to move snow yet.
http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=213642
I am still in the process of outfitting it for snow removal. But then again, I haven't had to move snow yet.
http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=213642
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I saw that thread, and your 317 looks awesome.
I'm just not sure I can convince myself to spend the money when I've got an F725 for mowing duties and a 120 that will be good as new by spring (hopefully). I just think it'd be really cool.
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