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I'm buying a Craftsman today(good Sears sale going on). The final question is: Kohler or Briggs & Stratton engine? Is one better than the other?
FYI I'm looking at either the YT 3000, YT 400 or PYT 24hp/42".
Thanks in advance for advice, warnings, etc.
 

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Assuming both engines are cast iron liner, full pressure lubrication, I don't think it's easy to pick a winner.. I think between Kohler Courage and Briggs Vangaurd it's a toss up.
 

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For years no one thoght B&S engines were very good. They are making some very good engines today. I have a few and the comercial ones seem to do very well. I have a small one on a lawn vac and it is junk. You can never get it started. My YT and my Troy Horse tillers both have the B&S engins and do just fine. I would still go with the Kohler. I still think they have an edge.
 

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Assuming both engines are cast iron liner, full pressure lubrication, I don't think it's easy to pick a winner.. I think between Kohler Courage and Briggs Vangaurd it's a toss up.
Don't you mean Kohler Command? Courage engines are not even close to the quality of Vanguards, at least as far as I've read. Either way, you will not find a Vanguard or Command in a box store these days. They mostly run Courage and B&S Inteks.
 

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I'd rather have a BS Intek over a Kohler Courage. The bad air cleaner problem the Intek's had has been fixed for quite a while. I believe this problem is what gave the Intek's a bad reputation. Never had a Courage but I've not heard too many good reports on them - for whatever that is worth.
 

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The old briggs use to be built as heavy as the kohlers were BUT, being how briggs has cheapened there stuff (like everything else this day and age) casting there blocks in mexico and getting there parts from japan, i honestly couldnt recommend Briggs anymore. I would go kohler. Just stay away from the courage line so i hear. 50 to 60 years ago Briggs and kohler were building neck & neck and ALOT of people chose Briggs but today that story has changed quite a bit.

I can set a good example right now.

I've rebuilt a good few Briggs engines recently becouse the rings were shot and were talking engines that were barely 10 years old. I have YET to rebuild a kohler that is under 10 years of age, and you could probably give some years aswell.
 

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The old briggs use to be built as heavy as the kohlers were BUT, being how briggs has cheapened there stuff (like everything else this day and age) casting there blocks in mexico and getting there parts from japan, i honestly couldnt recommend Briggs anymore. I would go kohler. Just stay away from the courage line so i hear. 50 to 60 years ago Briggs and kohler were building neck & neck and ALOT of people chose Briggs but today that story has changed quite a bit.

I can set a good example right now.

I've rebuilt a good few Briggs engines recently becouse the rings were shot and were talking engines that were barely 10 years old. I have YET to rebuild a kohler that is under 10 years of age, and you could probably give some years aswell.


I went with the Kohler(on the YT-3000). It came down to the 3000, 4000 or the PYT 24hp. The Cub Cadet that just died after 28 years had a Kohler Magnum, so hopefully the company still makes good engines.
Supposed to be delivered Monday. And yes, I'll post some pix.
 

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Don't you mean Kohler Command? Courage engines are not even close to the quality of Vanguards, at least as far as I've read. Either way, you will not find a Vanguard or Command in a box store these days. They mostly run Courage and B&S Inteks.

Chris,

*shrugs* The Kohler V Twin in my 5000 is labeled as a Courage and is a cast iron lined, full pressure lube extreme service engine. So.... Not sure all Courage engines are the same level.


LLigetfa,

How is it possible to have a spin on automotive oil filter and "splash" lubrication? To build oil pressure you have to have a georotor pump, how is the oil going to move through an oiling system (and a filter) in a con-rod splash setup?


http://www.kohlerengines.com/onlinecatalog/productDetail.htm?productNumber=Courage SV735

Not sure what Sears specifies that differs the standard SV735 from the one used in the GT5000's (the labeling is a little different). But those are the specs.
 

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LLigetfa,

How is it possible to have a spin on automotive oil filter and "splash" lubrication? To build oil pressure you have to have a georotor pump, how is the oil going to move through an oiling system (and a filter) in a con-rod splash setup?
It is possible to have both. The topic of splash lubed engines with spin-on filters has been discussed here several times.
http://www.mytractorforum.com/showpost.php?p=135131&postcount=29
http://www.mytractorforum.com/showpost.php?p=135418&postcount=33
 

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LLigetfa,

Like I said, it would be impossible to be splash lubricated with a spin on filter. Those are technically pressure lubed systems on the top end, the crankshaft and con-rod are "splash" lubed. OHC engines need to be pressure fed, the cams have to float in pressurized oil flow, a lot of times they don't even use a "bearing" the tolerances in the head are machined in and the cam floats in the oil and there is no typical babbet bearing to be found.
 

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LLigetfa,

Like I said, it would be impossible to be splash lubricated with a spin on filter. Those are technically pressure lubed systems on the top end, the crankshaft and con-rod are "splash" lubed. OHC engines need to be pressure fed, the cams have to float in pressurized oil flow, a lot of times they don't even use a "bearing" the tolerances in the head are machined in and the cam floats in the oil and there is no typical babbet bearing to be found.
Just as a point of information, 4-cylinder Wisconsin engines were splash lubricated with a bypass filter system for years. All the oil pump did was lubricate the governor, spray oil at the rod journals, and the surplus went through the filter and back to the sump. As far as the Courage and Vanguard are concerned, they're not even in the same ballpark, much less in the same game.
 

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Just as a point of information, 4-cylinder Wisconsin engines were splash lubricated with a bypass filter system for years. All the oil pump did was lubricate the governor, spray oil at the rod journals, and the surplus went through the filter and back to the sump. As far as the Courage and Vanguard are concerned, they're not even in the same ballpark, much less in the same game.
I see no issue with that lubrication system, it's still pressurized even if it's just "spraying" the oil at the rods.

And I meant to say Command and Vanguard, not Courage and Vanguard. Sorry for the slip!

(Although, when I look at the Command Pro Vtwin it looks like the same engine with a diesel air filter box.... :)
 

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My YS4500 has and Itek. I have 120 hours after 3 years. I change the oil and filter every 20 hours not 25 as recomended. It has been a good engine but I do not have it under much of a load. I only pull a cart and mow. B&S had a lot of problems with there engines for years. I was not happy about having one but it seems to be just fine. Some of our repair members told me that is is ok and that I should not have problems. I think the B&S tractors are cheaper that should tell you something what ever it is. LOL
 

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There are more differences, check it out.

Command

Courage

Briggs & Stratton

If it means anything. The Kohler weighs 10 lbs more than the Briggs, by there specs.

Glenn,

I was of course being cynical when I said that was the difference. The difference is that it's EFI (the big difference) and also has hydraulic lifters, oil cooler, "Professional heavy duty screen" Hardened crank journals and a PTO side load bearing.
 

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Glenn,

I was of course being cynical when I said that was the difference. The difference is that it's EFI (the big difference) and also has hydraulic lifters, oil cooler, "Professional heavy duty screen" Hardened crank journals and a PTO side load bearing.
Also a forged steel crank.
 
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