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I was pretty happy with my purchase of a LA135 lawn tractor.

That is until I started reading this forum. I wanted to use the mower to of course mow the lawn but also to help me with some landscaping around the house. Of course that meant I would be using it for hauling as well as mowing.

So here I am I have a mower I am afraid I am going to break if I use it the way I want to use it.

I know I should have researched this better before I bought but I was caught between a rock and a hard place. Lowe's had a sweet 10% off and a free attachment, but I had to buy it by the end of the day Sunday.

The mower is going back to Lowe's I feel bad about that. I had to wheel and deal to get the free attachment on the LA135 (they were not offering it on that model) and now I have to call them and tell them to come and get it.

I am thinking an X304 or X320. I already did the online application and am approved for enough for either.

Is the 304 strong enough for hauling 1000lbs or so around the yard?
 

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I was pretty happy with my purchase of a LA135 lawn tractor.

That is until I started reading this forum. I wanted to use the mower to of course mow the lawn but also to help me with some landscaping around the house. Of course that meant I would be using it for hauling as well as mowing.

So here I am I have a mower I am afraid I am going to break if I use it the way I want to use it.

I know I should have researched this better before I bought but I was caught between a rock and a hard place. Lowe's had a sweet 10% off and a free attachment, but I had to buy it by the end of the day Sunday.

The mower is going back to Lowe's I feel bad about that. I had to wheel and deal to get the free attachment on the LA135 (they were not offering it on that model) and now I have to call them and tell them to come and get it.

I am thinking an X304 or X320. I already did the online application and am approved for enough for either.

Is the 304 strong enough for hauling around the yard?
Re: hauling - how much of what do you plan to haul? How often? And what grade is your yard? If the answers are not much, not often, and relatively flat the 304 will be fine.
 

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Sorry I edited too late for your response. about 1000 lbs are so rock, dirt, bricks
That's a lot of weight. Most folks will tell you the rig can handle the weight of the rig + operator as far as what it can haul. I think you are going to be hauling too much ...
 

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Yeah, I just spoke to the dealer he said 1000 lbs won't be a problem but he can't safely tell me that due to the fact that it would not be safe going down hills.

He recommended the X300 which save me a little bit of money. so I am going to go with that and make a few extra trips to stay within the safety range.

Although if I can talk the wife into that X320 I would be a happy man :)
 

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I don't see the X300 or X304 handling more weight any better than an LA, since they all use the same trans. That X320 would be a trans upgrade, however.
 

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I don't see the X300 or X304 handling more weight any better than an LA, since they all use the same trans. That X320 would be a trans upgrade, however.
Yep, absolutely right. Which then begs the other question I had - how often? I think the X300 will hold up fine if he only hauls a few cartloads THAT heavy a season. If its more a normal thing, the X320 is in order.

Or, just get a smaller cart and don't fill it so much - take more trips.
 

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I don't see the X300 or X304 handling more weight any better than an LA, since they all use the same trans. That X320 would be a trans upgrade, however.
except they don't. The LA135 uses a T40 and the X300 uses a K46. Other than that you're right
 

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Rode the X300 around today. Wow! is all I have to say comparing it too the LA135.

Since I wanted the bagger I decided the X300 would have to do, the dealer was good enough to give me 50% 0ff on the spreader.

I am happy with the decision.
 

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Yeah, I just spoke to the dealer he said 1000 lbs won't be a problem but he can't safely tell me that due to the fact that it would not be safe going down hills.
It's really not so much a matter of power or tranny strength as it is traction. 1000 lbs is over twice the weight of your tractor. Even with wheel weights, if you start sliding while going down hill, or spinning going up, you're done for, because the weight of the load is going to determine where everything goes.

It's scary as ****, too. I had a load of firewood behind my 748 and it wasn't even as heavy as the tractor (about 1300 lbs). My rear tires broke traction going down a (thank God) short hill, and there was nothing I could do except hang on, ride it out and hope I stopped sliding before I got to the pond. Just barely.
 

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There have been some recent discussions that the T40 is really just a variation of the K46. The LA165 and LA175 specs actually say "K46".

Good luck with your X300.
 

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Specifications

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Note: The T40 and K46 transaxles have no internal serviceable components. Be certain that all diagnostic procedures are performed and that the oil level is correct before replacing the transaxles.

Transaxle:
Type (LA115/LA125/LA135/LA145) Tuff Torq® T40J Transaxle

Type (LA155/LA165/LA175) Tuff Torq® K46AC Transaxle

Travel Speed-Forward (LA115/LA125/LA135/LA145/LA155/LA165/LA175) 0 - 8.9 km/h (0 - 5.5 mph)

Travel Speed-Reverse (LA115/LA125/LA135/LA145/LA155/LA165/LA175) 0 - 5.1 km/h (0 - 3.2 mph)

Brake
Brake Type Wet Disk

Brake Capacity 351.5 Nm (259 lb-ft) with 11.3 Nm (100 lb-in.) on brake arm

Brake Lever Travel (Maximum) 30°
 

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Transaxle
Drive Train Belt Drive Transaxle with foot-controlled variable speed drive

Transaxle Control Dual Pedal Automatic

Cruise Control Standard

Type (X300 SN -040000) Tuff Torq® K46BC Transaxle

Type (X300 SN 040001-040937)1 Tuff Torq® K46BR Transaxle

Type (X300 SN 04093:cool:2 Tuff Torq® K46BR Transaxle

Type (X304 SN 085001-) Tuff Torq® K46CC Transaxle

Type (X320 SN -085000/X340 SN -085000) Tuff Torq® K58 Transaxle

Type (X304 SN -085000/X324 SN -085000) Tuff Torq® K58B Transaxle

Type (X360 SN 085001-) Tuff Torq® K58H Transaxle

Travel Speeds (SN -085000)
Travel Speed-Forward (X300/X304/X324) 0 - 8.85 km/h (0 - 5.5 mph)

Travel Speed-Forward (X320/X340) 0 - 9.93 km/h (0 - 5.8 mph)

Travel Speed-Reverse (X300) 0 - 6.44 km/h (0 - 4.0 mph)

Travel Speed-Reverse (X304/X320/X324/X340) 0 - 5.63 km/h (0 - 3.5 mph)

Travel Speeds (SN 085001-)
Travel Speed-Forward (X300/X304/X324) 0 - 8.85 km/h (0 - 5.5 mph)

Travel Speed-Forward (X320/X340) 0 - 9.93 km/h (0 - 5.8 mph)

Travel Speed-Forward (X360) 0 - 9.98 km/h (0 - 6.2 mph)

Travel Speed-Reverse (X300/X304) 0 - 6.44 km/h (0 - 4.0 mph)

Travel Speed-Reverse (X320/X324/X340/X360) 0 - 5.63 km/h (0 - 3.5 mph)

Brake
Brake Type Wet Disk

Brake Arm Force (K46) 250 N (56 lb)

Brake Arm Force (K58) 420 N (94 lb)

Brake Lever Travel (Maximum) 30°

Brake Shoe to Brake Disk Clearance 0.80 - 1.30 mm (0.031 - 0.051 in.)

Capacity:
Transaxle Oil Capacity - K46 (approximately) 2.2 L (2.3 qt)

Transaxle Oil Capacity - K58 (approximately) 2.4 L (2.5 qt)

Transaxle Oil 10w30 Oil

Capacity:
Transaxle Oil Capacity - K58H (X360) (approximately) 2.8 L (3.0 qt)

Transaxle Oil John Deere J20D Low Viscosity HY-GARD

1Pulley (p/n MIU800685) with 2369.9 mm belt (p/n M152284)

2Pulley (p/n MIU800783) with 2348.0 mm belt (p/n M151277)
 

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Thanks Sharpdressedman,

You wouldn't happen to know the weight of the models would you?

I believe the dealer said the X300 goes about 625 lbs
 

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Yeah, I just spoke to the dealer he said 1000 lbs won't be a problem but he can't safely tell me that due to the fact that it would not be safe going down hills.
It's really not so much a matter of power or tranny strength as it is traction. 1000 lbs is over twice the weight of your tractor. Even with wheel weights, if you start sliding while going down hill, or spinning going up, you're done for, because the weight of the load is going to determine where everything goes.

It's scary as ****, too. I had a load of firewood behind my 748 and it wasn't even as heavy as the tractor (about 1300 lbs). My rear tires broke traction going down a (thank God) short hill, and there was nothing I could do except hang on, ride it out and hope I stopped sliding before I got to the pond. Just barely.
Yes, that's what I was told. I've done it before myself with the old Craftsman, it is pretty scary. fortunately I did not roll it. That feeling you may have to bale and hope you don't get hit by the trailer is not fun.

The area I need to get into would be pretty flat though
 

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did you end up getting the X300? i have the x300 and my advice is try it without the bagger, you will be quit surprised by how well it dispenses the clippings.
 

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I have a lot of trees so I like to use the bagger to pick up the leaves.

It should be here sometime next week, but I have to go out of town on Tuesday so I won't be here when they drop it off.

I have really been thinking I should have gone with a X304 for the all wheel steer.

Lowe's picked up the LA135 tonight. I only drove it around a bit never mowed with it, but just moving it out of the garage I was thinking how smooth the X300 was compared to it.

I wish I would have found this site sooner, would have saved me the heartache. That LA135 was a cute little mower.
 

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you will be satisfied with the X300. I love this thing and it is very smooth.
You will be quite pleased at the turning radius. I depated the 4 wheel steering but A. I dont have a lot of trees. B. The X300 turning radius is impressive.
 

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yeah 16" ain't bad. and the one I test drove I could not believe how easily it went from forward to reverse. That LA135 was very jerky by comparison.

You're right I'll just stick to the X300. Can't wait to start a new thred with pictures.
 

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I just bought an LA135SE from the dealer and plan to use it as mostly a mower and light hauler (mulch, mostly). I gave my very reliable 2005 L111 to my father-in-law becuse his very old craftsman finally died. Have I made a mistake??
 
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