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About a year ago one of my neighbors passed away and left a garage full of stuff. The man's family hired an appraiser to value all the things they weren't sure about. One thing in the garage that I have interest in is a JD 430 with a Yanmar 3 cylinder diesel engine. Its got a 60" deck.
The old guy had inherited it from his father in law about 20 years ago. It was too big for their yard but he used it to pull a wagon around he mowed his side yard once in a while with it. Condition wise I'd say its fair, it ran fine when he parked it, its been sitting now for 3 years in his garage. The deck is leaning against the wall and is in good shape. Its missing a tail light, it needs a battery, and could stand a serious polishing or maybe even a repaint. Both right tires go flat after a week or two, I pumped them up for his widow about a month ago and both are flat again.
I figure its going to need a battery, a couple of tire tubes, and a tail light to make it right again. Its showing 903 hours on it.
Now the big question is, what are these worth? They have appraised it at $3,500 and there's an attorney in charge of the estate and all sales.
I was hoping to get it for a lot less but I don't think their going to budge on the price.
I see a few selling for more but they've got better paint.

I've got a loader and a pair of loaded ag tires that came off of a larger JD that I think would be perfect on this machine.

I'm interested in hearing some other opinions on what these should sell for.

I don't have any pics, yet, but plan to try to take some this weekend if the weather is clear. I have to get his truck started before I can back the tractor out.
 

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I think $3500 would be top dollar if the tractor was 100% ready to get to work. As it is now you will be putting some more $$ into it.
 

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Here are a couple JD dealer comps that might help:

https://www.machinefinder.com/ww/en-US/machines/1991-john-deere-430-tractor-6887061

https://www.machinefinder.com/ww/en-US/machines/1985-john-deere-430-tractor-6952617

This one is a little higher than you might like for a comp but has some extras and has been sitting on their lot for a year:

https://www.machinefinder.com/ww/en-US/machines/1992-john-deere-430-tractor-6269082

430s seem to be all over the place on price. I think it would sell pretty quickly at $3500 if it was perfect and well maintained with an extra or two. If the paint can be buffed out, a few hundred bucks in parts and a non trivial investment of time to make it right maybe $2500-3000? It really depends on the details. There was one in CT that looked pretty nice that sat forever on CL under $4K. I'm not sure if he ever sold it or just gave up. Good luck.
 

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About a year ago one of my neighbors passed away and left a garage full of stuff. The man's family hired an appraiser to value all the things they weren't sure about. One thing in the garage that I have interest in is a JD 430 with a Yanmar 3 cylinder diesel engine. Its got a 60" deck.
The old guy had inherited it from his father in law about 20 years ago. It was too big for their yard but he used it to pull a wagon around he mowed his side yard once in a while with it. Condition wise I'd say its fair, it ran fine when he parked it, its been sitting now for 3 years in his garage. The deck is leaning against the wall and is in good shape. Its missing a tail light, it needs a battery, and could stand a serious polishing or maybe even a repaint. Both right tires go flat after a week or two, I pumped them up for his widow about a month ago and both are flat again.
I figure its going to need a battery, a couple of tire tubes, and a tail light to make it right again. Its showing 903 hours on it.
Now the big question is, what are these worth? They have appraised it at $3,500 and there's an attorney in charge of the estate and all sales.
I was hoping to get it for a lot less but I don't think their going to budge on the price.
I see a few selling for more but they've got better paint.

I've got a loader and a pair of loaded ag tires that came off of a larger JD that I think would be perfect on this machine.

I'm interested in hearing some other opinions on what these should sell for.

I don't have any pics, yet, but plan to try to take some this weekend if the weather is clear. I have to get his truck started before I can back the tractor out.

Not positive but I think the only green loader that fits on a 430 is a 44, should have that number painted in yellow on the side of the lift arms.
 

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I think the comment about 430 values being all over the place is true. There are a lot of people out there trying to sell what they hope are $4-5,000 machines. Maybe a few years ago, that might have worked...

If it is in good shape mechanically, has good sheet metal, and you know the guy took care of his machines than maybe. But if the paint is shot and it needs work, it's a sub $3K machine easily.
 

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An awful lot depends on how many hours are on it too, when figuring value. You never did mention that part. But I have seen fairly low hour machines with faded paint that I'd sure pay more for than fresh looking tractors with high hours. It's also a plus that you know the history of the machine.
 

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How many hours are too many? This 430 has 903 on it.

The guy took decent care of his stuff, he wasn't big on things like paint and polish but he kept the mechanicals in good shape.

Its got recent filters and clean oil in it. The battery is actually only 3 years old but its not been run in about that amount of time so it too weak to start the tractor.

I'm being told that the price is the price, they won't budge. Some attorney is handling the estate and all sales. If it don't sell, its getting loaded on a truck and taken to auction.

Condition wise, the worse thing wrong with it is the two tires that leak air. In reality it needs four new tires, the tires on it are likely original. It starts easy with a jumper box. I'd like to have it but not if I have to pay more than its worth or more than I can sell it for down the road.
 

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Id say the 903 is middle of the road. Lots of good life left there, but also some things may be due for replacing. I agree with you, I wouldn't want to pay more than I could resell something for. Id watch for the auction.
 

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You will easily have another grand in it before it is right and I doubt you could turn it around for $4500 today let alone down the road. While a pretty cool machine, unless it is the must have dream machine for the long haul I'd watch for the auction as well where it could easily go for well under $2K depending on who is there.
 

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There is one in NC for $3500 that has been completely redone. With a beautiful paint job and totally gone through engine and deck. This one is way too much for a shot in the dark that could have you way over your head in a short time. And like was mentioned above, you will have an extra $1000 in it before you can blink. They are not worth $4500 dollars in any shape. Also, be very careful about "Assuming" that one piece of equipment will fit any JD. You will be disappointed if you do.
 

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If it goes for public sale it'll likely either get shipped to an auction house out of state or get put on eBay.
They did that with two larger tractors he had, when they couldn't find a local buyer. They were sent to a big auction somewhere out of the area. I go to most of the local sales and auctions and the last diesel GT that I saw went for over $2500 and it was rough, not running, and missing a lot of parts. I've seen some real junk go for way too much at auctions. This one looks good enough that'll it bring good money. A lot would depend on whether or not they put a battery in it and show that it runs.

I don't think it'll need anywhere near a grand to get it in shape, even four new tires wouldn't be more than $300, and I've got a set of good rear tires on JD rims already. They came on the same machine, he gave them to me to use on my AC 916 a few years ago. He bought a used set of turf tires for the 430 and didn't want the ag tires. I suspect I could find the missing tail light online, and a battery is only about $40.
I reality, I'd likely just give it a good buffing and some wax, an oil change, a battery from Walmart for $30, and a couple of tubes in the front tires for about $30.

The loader I've got was originally off a JD 420, it was modified to fit that machine but likely came off an old Bolens. I have a cut off saw and a welder so I can make it fit if needed.
 

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Not a "bad" deal. but I'm not a 400 guy. Everything I have accessory wise doesn't fit. they are an odd ball of JD lawn tractors, and the stuff you want/need is costly. you can buy a 332 for way less and have 300 series "front stuff" to fit it for way less. Just my thoughts.
 

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Not a "bad" deal. but I'm not a 400 guy. Everything I have accessory wise doesn't fit. they are an odd ball of JD lawn tractors, and the stuff you want/need is costly. you can buy a 332 for way less and have 300 series "front stuff" to fit it for way less. Just my thoughts.
The only attachment I'd need for it is a snow plow, and if nothing else, I can build one.
The idea of going to a diesel would mean no more ethanol problems. The way it is now I'm cleaning carbs out every other week. Additives aren't cutting it since they went to 15% ethanol. I add Seafoam to my gas but it don't seem to help. Even my push mowers go down almost weekly due to corrosion in the carbs. Its as if the fuel goes bad in the jug lately. I bought 5 gallons of fuel in Dec. for my snow plow tractor, didn't use it till the end of January, it was fine the first day in the machine, but wouldn't start the 12 days later. Ever brass part in the carb had turned fuzzy green. The carb was fresh around mid Nov.
Diesel don't give me those issues.
My main attraction to this machine is that I know where its been, I know its not been run low on oil, or abused. Its got fairly low hours and the few things it needs aren't major. I'd like to get it cheaper but something tells me if it goes to auction it'll go for more than their asking. They're asking more for gas machines right now around here and I don't see a single diesel other than a Kubota listed for $6500.
There's also a part of me that says I can buy a 4x4 compact tractor for close to the same money and likely have a loader and full size rear hitch but my yard doesn't really need anything any bigger when it comes to pushing snow. I like how a smaller machine can clear walkways and in between buildings and parked vehicles.
 

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The only attachment I'd need for it is a snow plow, and if nothing else, I can build one.
The idea of going to a diesel would mean no more ethanol problems. The way it is now I'm cleaning carbs out every other week. Additives aren't cutting it since they went to 15% ethanol. I add Seafoam to my gas but it don't seem to help. Even my push mowers go down almost weekly due to corrosion in the carbs. Its as if the fuel goes bad in the jug lately. I bought 5 gallons of fuel in Dec. for my snow plow tractor, didn't use it till the end of January, it was fine the first day in the machine, but wouldn't start the 12 days later. Ever brass part in the carb had turned fuzzy green. The carb was fresh around mid Nov.
Diesel don't give me those issues.
My main attraction to this machine is that I know where its been, I know its not been run low on oil, or abused. Its got fairly low hours and the few things it needs aren't major. I'd like to get it cheaper but something tells me if it goes to auction it'll go for more than their asking. They're asking more for gas machines right now around here and I don't see a single diesel other than a Kubota listed for $6500.
There's also a part of me that says I can buy a 4x4 compact tractor for close to the same money and likely have a loader and full size rear hitch but my yard doesn't really need anything any bigger when it comes to pushing snow. I like how a smaller machine can clear walkways and in between buildings and parked vehicles.
I hear that and that is part of the reason I am picking up a 332 this weekend. :tango_face_grin: I'm tired of crappy gas and I can do a 50% mix with WVO since I have 4000 gals out back to use as fuel. :tango_face_wink:
 

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The only attachment I'd need for it is a snow plow, and if nothing else, I can build one.

The idea of going to a diesel would mean no more ethanol problems. The way it is now I'm cleaning carbs out every other week. Additives aren't cutting it since they went to 15% ethanol. I add Seafoam to my gas but it don't seem to help. Even my push mowers go down almost weekly due to corrosion in the carbs. Its as if the fuel goes bad in the jug lately. I bought 5 gallons of fuel in Dec. for my snow plow tractor, didn't use it till the end of January, it was fine the first day in the machine, but wouldn't start the 12 days later. Ever brass part in the carb had turned fuzzy green. The carb was fresh around mid Nov.

Diesel don't give me those issues.

My main attraction to this machine is that I know where its been, I know its not been run low on oil, or abused. Its got fairly low hours and the few things it needs aren't major. I'd like to get it cheaper but something tells me if it goes to auction it'll go for more than their asking. They're asking more for gas machines right now around here and I don't see a single diesel other than a Kubota listed for $6500.

There's also a part of me that says I can buy a 4x4 compact tractor for close to the same money and likely have a loader and full size rear hitch but my yard doesn't really need anything any bigger when it comes to pushing snow. I like how a smaller machine can clear walkways and in between buildings and parked vehicles.
Have you looked in the fuel tank on that 430? Diesel fuel that has a bio mix only lasts a few months before it goes bad. In a metal tank it will cause all sorts of rusting, I'm assuming the 430 has a plastic tank tho.

When that bio breaks down it leaves a thick hard layer or crap in the bottom or the tank. I have 3 old farm tractors that sat around the last few years only got started and moved when they were in the way for something. All 3 have a nasty sludge in the tank, rust, and the fuel smells like turpentine.

Premium 91 or higher octane gas has a longer shelf life than diesel with a bio blend.

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Mopar, I'm not sure where the "400" came in? But I can tell you that 4 new tires for that 430 will definitely run more than $300 especially if you are going to put a loader on it. The front tires take a huge beating and you need at least 4-ply and a new set of front wheel bearings. You may get by with the bottom of the ebay crop but good luck on getting some of them on the wheels. I also, think that you are assuming that the 430 is like a smaller gas engine mowers. It's not. It will need more cranking amps than a small gas engine, especially in cold weather. You have the glo plugs to heat and the old high resistance safety circuit to overcome and then the fuel solenoid has to open and the electric fuel pump has to pump strongly. I would shoot for a small car battery of at least 540 CCA. There are some on this forum who seem to have good luck with small cheap batteries but I think of a battery as I would a parachute, when you really need it do you want the cheapest one you can buy? There are a lot of hidden parts that you will not know need replacing until you own it. The glo plug timer relay is about $150 and it is not visible from either side. Fan blade belt? It's on $35 but you have to remove the drive shaft from the engine to install it. Radiator? Ask on this forum how many have had to have them rebuilt or worse replace. Figure on $400. Muffler, $200 if you can find one that isn't Chinese junk. Alternators range from $70 to $270 depending on whether it is Chinese or JD. All I'm trying to point out to you it that they are not the cheapest tractor to own and that is why when you see one that is all sorted out it will be $3000 to $3500. Check out the power steering ram. If it is leaking it will only get worse and they are about $250 used. If you are lucky most of these parts will be ok but you can see that just one or two can make you reach $1000 in no time at all. Decide how you will use it and then go from there. That 60-inch deck is a monster but it is also very large and heavy. Do you need a 60-inch deck?
 

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I don't think I've ever run across any bio diesel around here. None of the local stations sell it.
The tank on the 430 is under the fender pan, I had it out for the original owner about 5 years ago when the grommets around the fuel lines started leaking. It got all new grommets at that time. The guy kept a second 150 gallon fuel tank in his garage for fuel, basically a half size heating oil tank. He'd keep it full when he got heating oil for the house and garage. I think his garage heater draws off it as well.
He also had a diesel generator, and a Chinese diesel on a rototiller as well.
He gave me a couple of small Lombardini 6hp diesel engines a few years ago that' I've been trying to find a purpose for as well.
With gas as high as diesel these days, I'd just as well go diesel and not worry about gas at all. I only wish my car was diesel too.

I went out this morning to cut my grass and had to pull the fuel bowl off my push mower, what ever was in the bowl wouldn't burn. What was in the tank ran fine. It happens almost every week. If I drain the fuel out of the tank into a jar, let it sit about a week I get a clear layer of what looks like water on the bottom of the jar. We don't have ethanol free fuel unless I buy race fuel and that's loaded with lead and over $12/gal. I can drive about two hours out of state and buy non ethanol gas for about $5.49 per gallon.
The bottom line is that diesel is the right answer vs hunting down and paying extra for non ethanol gas.
 

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I've tried Seafoam, Starbrite, and Stabil, nothing seems to make much of a difference.
I actually had to throw away a batch of gas with Stabil. I bought the fuel in the fall, added Stabil red to it and it wouldn't start 2 months later. It wouldn't even run in a push mower. I was told by the people at Stabil that their additive has a shelf life and that the 3 year old bottle I was using was likely past date. I switched to Seafoam after that. Its ok in larger engines but I still have issues with small engines. Seafoam has been aces in my motorcycles and several old cars and trucks but doesn't seem to do much for the single cylinder engines. What ever is going on its got to do with what ever fuel sits in the bowl of the carb won't run after sitting a few days, its as if its water. If I drain the bowl before trying to start it, it fires right up.
 

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How many hours are too many? This 430 has 903 on it.

The guy took decent care of his stuff, he wasn't big on things like paint and polish but he kept the mechanicals in good shape.

Its got recent filters and clean oil in it. The battery is actually only 3 years old but its not been run in about that amount of time so it too weak to start the tractor.

I'm being told that the price is the price, they won't budge. Some attorney is handling the estate and all sales. If it don't sell, its getting loaded on a truck and taken to auction.

Condition wise, the worse thing wrong with it is the two tires that leak air. In reality it needs four new tires, the tires on it are likely original. It starts easy with a jumper box. I'd like to have it but not if I have to pay more than its worth or more than I can sell it for down the road.

903 is actually really really low. My 91’ 332 for example has over 3,000 hours on it and still gets used weekly with no issues.

If the grill isn’t beat up and it runs and drives good and everything works like it’s supposed too it’ll bring $3,500 super easy.
 
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