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Its done.... Well, sort of....

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So, for those of you that have not been following my saga, THIS has been living in the backyard of my parents' house....




This was my maternal grandfather's pride and joy, his 1967 JD 112h. It hasn't run for 20 years.... Well, this weekend, with the support of the incredibly amazing Littletractorgal, the assistance of my in-laws, the aid of Greensail (who helped me put the winch on a stable mount on my trailer) and the permission of my mother, (just to be on the safe side and to avoid police intervention), the 112h was disinterred from its resting place and slung onto my trailer... I'm sorry, I didn't take movies of it being winched on, it was amazing (kinda like that video of the T-34 tank being pulled outta the swamp in Russia). So, the FIRST stage (the recovery) is ALMOST over, the 112h is sitting on my trailer, connected to Littletractor using the Hitching Post Littletractorgal got me for my birthday last year... Getting to that point took from 11:00 yesterday until dark. Today, we hook the trailer back up to the truck, run it over to our place, then Littletractorgal and I and my FIL will drop it off the trailer and into it's predetermined spot in our garage...

(As long as we get this all done before my dad gets back from his weekend at the lake... AND I put ALL his tools back EXACTLY where I found them... Otherwise, there is a distinct possibility that this could be my last post on MTF:00000060:)

More pictures soon, I promise!
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So, in many cases, I suspect what I get new and re-use will be determined by what I can find or scrounge... I'll fire off an email to my JD Dealer about the valve springs right away....

Any advice on home-cleaning the valve guides? Before I take it out to the professionals? They SEEM pretty tight, but that could be crud buildup... What is knurling anyway?
Engine block cleaning at home isn't that much different than engine block cleaning in a shop, you just won't have any fancy specialty or automated equipment. Pressure wash the worst of the sploooge first (steam cleaning would be even better). A pro machine shop would either hot tank it (caustic soda) or bake it at a really high temp. Of course you'd have to make sure it was nothing but bare iron first. This is followed with the first phase of washing with hot soapy water. Blow dry with air.

A shop may shot blast it next (obviously you don't have that in your garage) to take off the rust. Any machining is done at this point.

Before assembly, it gets a thorough wash, again with soapy hot water. Test tube and bottle brushes are the key to getting into all the passageways (including valve guides). Wash it thoroughly and when you think you are done, START OVER and do it again. Normally in a shop a wash station is set up with hot water pressurized by shop air--you don't have that luxury at home, so use a large rubbermaid tub and keep changing the water. Don't stop until it is uber-clean! That is far more important that worrying about pits on a 40 year old camshaft etc. that you will go crazy trying to find a replacement for. Remember with engine building, Cleanliness is Next to Godliness!! :D

After you are done washing it dry it with compressed air. Spray a light oil of your choice on a rag and wipe down the bores and machined faces. You can paint the outside of the block too at this point if you choose.


Knurling is a common process in machining though I'm not sure how many automotive machine shops can still do it--it was more common there in the days before replacement press in guides or bronze guide liners were available.

You've seen knurling done before on things like knobs and handles to give you grip. This is the process that gives that cross-hatch or inline series of grooves. Its generally done by turning in a lathe, not really sure how they do guides but I'm sure the premise is the same. Knurling presses ribbed, hardened steel wheels into the softer metal. In doing so it "squishes" the surrounding material outwards. In the case of a guide, it makes the inside diameter a few thou smaller while leaving grooves to hold oil for better lubrication of the valve stem. It is kind of hard to explain without seeing it.

Back to internal conditions of the engine, if the parts are not available new, or not reasonably priced, you are going to be forced to make do with what you have. Keep in mind this is a lawnmower engine that doesn't even see 4000 rpm, not a race engine that is spinning at 8500rpm.

Things like the crank journal can be reground if it is bad, but if it is within spec and even if it has a few pits etc. in it you can give it a rubdown with crankshaft polishing paper.... its like a really fine emory cloth. The pits themselves don't really hurt anything, its any microscopic sharp edges that may be protruding that can hurt things! Polishing it well will remove any traces of that, and the remaining pit if anything will end up full of oil--keep in mind they are microscopic.

Camshaft is the same way. Hopefully you kept everything in order when you dismantled it so the parts go back in their original places. Valve springs fail from (among other things)high heat and high rpm. You won't see either in your JD. If they are available cheap, grab new ones, if not, don't lose any sleep worrying about reusing what you have. Same with things like valve locks/keepers/etc. Inspect them thoroughly and see how they fit on the valve loose in your hand. The only way a valve lock is going to fail on you is if it shears off that little key--you don't have the spring pressures for that unless there is already something wrong with the locks, in which case you'll need to replace them AND the valves because they will have worn too and won't fit tight. If you can't see anything wrong with the locks and they fit nice and tight reuse them! By its tapered design, a valve lock only grips tighter under pressure from the spring... it's not going to let go if it is installed right.

Rings should be available no problem, you don't need oversize unless you bore the block. The crank bearings can be changed if they are available but in most cases really aren't necessary unless there is play in them... they are in an oil bath so chances of failure are not very high. Did the crankshaft oil seals leak alot? That can be an indicator of bearing play. How do they feel? You can make your own judgement call based on that.

Replace seals and gaskets. Make sure the seals haven't worn huge grooves in the crankshaft surface too. Polish these areas too. Offset seals to help correct that problem are available for many axles and engines etc. but somehow I doubt your Tech is in that list.

Unless I have completely misunderstood your intentions, what you are looking for is a fresh looking and good running little tractor, not a showpiece. It can be very easy to spend $10k on a machine worth $2k so you have to balance your priorities. Things like not boring the block or grinding the crank if they are within spec are what I'm talking about--where others will tell you it is manditory. It's not. It's real easy to spend other people's money! :D You can get many many more years of service on a 'working quality' restoration without breaking the bank. If you make it too pretty you won't want to use it anymore! lol

You are more than capable of doing all of this at home on a meager budget, and chances are that by the time you need to tear down the engine again, the rest of the tractor will also need to be gone over again, the joys of anything old!

Just my opinion, for what its worth.

:drunkie:
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I wouldn't suggest LTGshould spend 10 k on a lawn tractor, but for the few meager dollars it costs to not reuse old valve retainers and 2 rod bolts, Is cheap insuarnce. I never cheap out on something that can fail, especially when it's 20 bucks worth of parts. I look at it this way. If it's a POS I only need for beating till it's dead, I hack it. If I spend my time and resources to gut and restore, it gets done right. I don't presume to spend someone elses money, but I consider certain pieces to be part of an engine build. It may not be a $20,000 big block, but it's still an internal combustion engine, prone to the same stresses and failures. That has always been the way I approach my work. But, others may completely disagree. In the end, LTG will fit his project to his budget, buT being his first engine, he should know everything a full rebuild entails, so he can make informed choices. I'm a big fan of research and knowledge when I take on a task.
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LTG, I've been away for a while and just got caught up on your thread. You are doing excellent work but it has made me feel guilty for not digging a little deeper into my 318.
I wouldn't suggest LTGshould spend 10 k on a lawn tractor, but for the few meager dollars it costs to not reuse old valve retainers and 2 rod bolts, Is cheap insuarnce. I never cheap out on something that can fail, especially when it's 20 bucks worth of parts. I look at it this way. If it's a POS I only need for beating till it's dead, I hack it. If I spend my time and resources to gut and restore, it gets done right. I don't presume to spend someone elses money, but I consider certain pieces to be part of an engine build. It may not be a $20,000 big block, but it's still an internal combustion engine, prone to the same stresses and failures. That has always been the way I approach my work. But, others may completely disagree. In the end, LTG will fit his project to his budget, buT being his first engine, he should know everything a full rebuild entails, so he can make informed choices. I'm a big fan of research and knowledge when I take on a task.
Well, I got the first of probably MANY emails back from my JD parts person about this rebuild... The question of valve springs has been answered. The Tec valve springs are obsolete, NLA... So, that answers THAT question... Unless I want to buy BillTheTractorMan's, although I gather he's out of town now....

Worse news, the breaker points are obsolete too... Although, I DID find a post on Weekend Freedom Machines talking about being able to order Kohler points and having them be identical... Gonna have to check that one out.... Hey waitaminit! I have a Kohler out in the garage! In Ernie (the 110)... Hmmmm....
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Well, I got the first of probably MANY emails back from my JD parts person about this rebuild... The question of valve springs has been answered. The Tec valve springs are obsolete, NLA... So, that answers THAT question... Unless I want to buy BillTheTractorMan's, although I gather he's out of town now....

Worse news, the breaker points are obsolete too... Although, I DID find a post on Weekend Freedom Machines talking about being able to order Kohler points and having them be identical... Gonna have to check that one out.... Hey waitaminit! I have a Kohler out in the garage! In Ernie (the 110)... Hmmmm....
I had completely forgotten about you having a Tech engine in that 110. MAJOR bummer! The OLD Tech engines were good units, but they went out of business, and the new ones are simply craptastic. As you have discovered, parts are a SOB to find. I "imagine" that the points would NOT be proprietary, and the Kohler units, or even BS may fit. I do wish you luck!
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I'll just echo the sentiment about NOT using synthetic motor oil in an engine with new rings. You want some controlled wear to happen as the rings seat - if this does not happen, and the rings and bore get glazed, the engine will NEVER not burn oil until it's torn down and honed again.

When this is back together, I'd follow the general rules for breaking in a new car or truck engine - vary the load and rpm frequently, and don't rev too high nor let it idle at first.
The best way to break in a car or truck is to drive around town fairly gently but then when it's got some time under the belt, put a heavy load in and head for the mountains. You want to put short to moderate periods of heavy load on the engine, followed by periods of deceleration to allow things to bed in.

Only after the rings are seated, and you'll know when they are by the reduction in oil usage and increase in compression, if you keep track of it, should you even consider using synthetic.
I'll leave the whole synthetic vs conventional oils discussion for antother thread, it's probably been pretty much beaten to death already.
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Coldwater, this is what I mean--if he can't get new parts (or get them with a reasonable price tag) he shouldn't feel bad about reusing what he has, that's all. I don't want him to have the impression that reusing parts makes it a time bomb.

Also check your torque specs out, sometimes they give a different rating for used bolts vs. new ones. Unless bolts are "Torque-to-Yield" they are perfectly reusable.
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Coldwater, this is what I mean--if he can't get new parts (or get them with a reasonable price tag) he shouldn't feel bad about reusing what he has, that's all. I don't want him to have the impression that reusing parts makes it a time bomb.

Also check your torque specs out, sometimes they give a different rating for used bolts vs. new ones. Unless bolts are "Torque-to-Yield" they are perfectly reusable.
Not to be TOO negative, but I'm kinda already working under the assumption that this engine will be (if I get it running at ALL) of limited lifespan...

So, on the brighter side, I got the go-ahead this morning from my "bankroller" aka my dad (who if you recall correctly, wants this tractor back once I have it going) to buy a schwack of bits to throw at it... So here it is, my Christmas Wish Engine Restoring List:

9 AM30363 WIRING HARNESS
AM31096 GASKET KIT 1 (CONSISTS OF (2) M41814, M42149, (2) M42221, M42179, M42180, M42181, M42193, M42194, M42195 AND M42202) ENGINE OVERHAUL

M82655 SEAL 2 - Oil Seals

AM31029 CAPACITOR - Condenser

AM33074 RING 1 STD, (SUB FOR AM31105) (this is the full ring set, for the standard bore

26H17 SHAFT KEY - Flywheel Key
M41335 BELT

M40109 SHAFT KEY - Pulley key ('cause I farged it by having to drill it out)

M42226 BELT

M41985 BELT

H30756 SHAFT KEY - Hydro pump shaft key (cause I lost it when I was taking the pump off... being really ambitious and assuming I can get that far)

I also already have the lock nuts for the connecting rod

The various belts are the hydro pump belt, the main drive belt and the starter/generator belt...

Things I have to hunt down are the

AM31095 PULLEY - the pulley that bolts onto the flywheel for taking the belt from the generator

And of course the breaker points...

I was QUITE surprised to find that the wiring harness was still available, AND it was only $30...

Again, this list-o-parts will certainly not be all I need, I still gotta arrange the carb, I still gotta get everything back in and hooked up and I'm sure I've missed some things... But its a start...
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Time to put the 160 to work on the front lawn. Surprised to see lawn that is 6 inches tall. And Tyson, what model of John Deere was that white 2 door MG convertible, parked on the driveway?
Time to put the 160 to work on the front lawn. Surprised to see lawn that is 6 inches tall. And Tyson, what model of John Deere was that white 2 door MG convertible, parked on the driveway?
Ya, you know, I had a window yesterday to actually get it mowed down and possibly even picked up by the bagger, and I MISSED it... Then, of course, it had to rain last night, so if I want to bag it, I'll have to wait until tomorrow night for it to be dry enough...

Ya, a friend of mine who's hobby is old cars was by for a yak... Even showed him the tractors...
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Carb is all boxed up and ready for shipping down to Mark at CarbRescue... I know, I know, I'm wimping out, but two things...

  1. That carb is pretty dang rare, so I don't want to #$%#$ it up
  2. I know my limitations, I'd rather have a professional do it right
  3. I'm not the one paying for it, in the long run (if my dad wants the machine back)
  4. If I really want to learn carb restoration, I can do that on my 110 with the Kohler, for which I'm sure there's more parts if I botch it...

Okay, so, four things... NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Here's some BEFORE pics of the carb:











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LoL that might be the ugliest carb I've ever seen shy of something brought up from the Titanic! Mark certainly has his work cut out for him on this one... probably won't be that bad after the splooge is removed.

I sure hope he uses Loctite! ;)
Better check that engine over while the carbs off. Looks like it may be developing a small oil leak, and you'll want to catch it before it gets too bad.
That's the nastiest carb I've ever seen. If CarbRescue can get that working, the guy has a God given talent...
Toss it in a tub of oven cleaner and toss a new gasket in it and its good to go Tyson...

Nice to see you can get a new wire harness.. Thats going to make me check on one for my 112 today..
Little slow today, as I did the Canada Day thing... I went out and mowed grass around my dad's buildings... WITH his zero turn... However, got rained out twice this morning (raining hard enough that I didn't want to be out on the mower) so I went in and pulled the front rims off the JD 120 parts machine I got from Team_Green last summer.... I THINK one of the bearings is toast on the 112, and the rims/bearings from the 120 should go across.... Thanks again, Team!
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Happy Canada Day!!!!
w00t w00t my late grandfather's flag is flyin' out in front of the house! :D
:OHCAN :hatsoff:
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