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Certainly agree with you about gasoline. But I'm just as comfortable with it as batteries. My John Deere 317 is over 30 years old (actually have two) and still as dependable as day one. It does need attention once in a while but nothing I can't handle. Fortunately, non-oxygenated fuels are easy to come by these days and if used the fuel systems require much less attention. But I don't know a lot of folks who can diagnose and repair a bad battery either.

So far with Li-Io, I'm batting about .500. And one of the current batteries is having charging issue already. I have never tossed out the corded equivalent and keep my long extension cords handy knowing sooner or later I'll be needing them.

Yes, I am very happy with the performance of the Ryobi 40 volt tools. They do compare well to gasoline. I can handle $100 purchase every year but, I would be very hesitant to dump thousands in a large tractor knowing what's in the future when the power source or electronics crap out.

As for the so called "technology"? It's really marketing. Think back and count the number of devices like phones, laptops, remotes, lights, tools etc. (and yes, cars) that have replaced due to the batteries crapping out and the high cost to replace them. Why would you assume that it would be any different with a large garden tractor?
 

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Just like some people don't know how to [ or are too lazy to ] deal with small engines over the long term there are people who don't know how to deal with cordless tools and their nuances.

I have a lot of B&D 18V nicad tools: string trimmers, hard surface blowers, sawzalls , drills, drivers, circular saws, sanders. Yes, at least 2 of every one. Many of the older ones are of pretty decent quality. I have found an adaptor that allows the use of the new 20V lithium batteries in the 18V NiCad tools. You DO have to have the discipline to swap batts the second the tool starts to slow down but this is really true of any batt tool that doesn't have protective circuitry.

There has been a lot of out of date or ???? cordless tools on CL and FB lately. New tools from auctions. I think the big box stores are shooting themselves in the foot. I bought a B&D cordless blower, a mouse sander and a chainsaw for $95 all with batts and chargers. With the $8 adaptor I can use these 3 batts in all my 18V tools. I still have 3 good 18V batts for a total of 6 batts. Keeping your batts properly tended is no different than keeping your gas cans and ope from all being empty at the same time.

I also have seen on youtube how to adapt older NiCad batt cases to use newer lithium batts from other manufactures but there is some risk there that some people may not be comfortable with. With this setup I could use my B&D 20v lithium in my Ryobi 18V 1/2" impact. I could also adapt my 20 year old Milwaukee 3/8" impact to use my B&D 20's.

In other words, I love my cordless tools and have since the late 70s when I discovered how awesome they are for doing tinwork in race cars. No more power cords wrapped around your feet !!
 

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These tools do not eliminate cords. They simply move them to the charger. I think your shop looks like mine. A mess of multi-outlet extension cords connected to all of those chargers. :)

So, how long until you convert your race car to batteries? Just kidding.
 

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I started using 40 and 80 v gadgets about 5 years ago just for convenience.I have a 80v Kobalt trim mower and 40 trimmer, blower, hedge trimmer and chain saw. I have had good service from them and Lowes has a decent warranty on them. I never use them for major projects. I've had good service from the batteries and only had to exchange one during the warranty. One thing I will say about cordless tools is you want to choose a good brand and stick with it just to have interchangeable batteries.
 

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The other day I was doing a fab project and had 5 or 6 cordless drills and impacts in use. No swapping out bits for me. One drill had the center drill, the next had the intermediate sized bit, the next had the final sized bit for the smaller fasteners, the next had the final sized bit for the larger fasteners, the next had the countersink for deburring the holes, then an impact for tightening the fasteners.
 

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I must have upset the battery Gods bad mouthing the devices. Two days ago my Dyson vac crapped out. Battery won't take a charge. I can only guess what it will take to replace that. Likely cost just enough to cause me to buy a new one. That's part of the plan ya know. Yesterday I went out to blow the leaves off the driveway and yet another Ryobi battery crapped out. This is at least the fourth. At least they replace them without too much grief. So far. I love these tools. But ****!

Now lets here from the experts who can tell me what I'm doing wrong.
 

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I read somewhere that the low AH Ryobi batts seem to have a short life. Almost like they have a 'get to X hours and zap, the board kills itself' program. I DID discover the other day that the B&D 20v lithium tools have an auto shutoff. With lithiums it's a must but you never know what the bean counters might get by with.

I got this concept off youtube. Use at your own risk.





 

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BTW, peeps :) I need somebody to gift me one of these 12V Milwaukee nicads so I can make an adaptor from it to let me use the 20V B&D batts in the 12V Milwaukee drill and 3/8" impact I have .

 

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I see Nick hasn't posted here in a long time but I love this thread. I have done landscaping in the past, always had old homeowners grade equipment, constant maintenance and repair hassle.

My teenage son wants to start doing landscaping while I do building maintenance. We are starting with the usual old homeowners equipment but plan to upgrade to all battery-electric with solar chargers built into the trailer.

Sorry about all the electro-haters on here but I learned small engine repair in high school and really have learned to hate the small of old gas and oil on a hot summer day. I farmed for years too and hated starting issues on my John Deere 2 cylinders in Wintertime. Give me electric any day!

With the improvements in electronics and batteries I'd say in a few years electric outdoor equipment will be cheaper for homeowners and that will begin a free fall drop in profitability in small gas engines, relegating them to hobby status.
 

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I think battery-powered stuff is not cost-effective for doing maintenance, as you've got to have a bunch of batteries to work all day, as they don't last particularly long, and short of having a gas generator on your truck, you'll need to have enough to work all day and then charge them at night. Solar charging while you drive around is unlikely to charge a battery a significant amount.

I've considered replacing individual things with battery-powered versions, like a weed whacker, and most days it would be fine with a couple of batteries, but I never know when a customer will ask "can you take down these weeds over here" or something along those lines, and then I'd need a gas one to do it.
 

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I see Nick hasn't posted here in a long time but I love this thread. I have done landscaping in the past, always had old homeowners grade equipment, constant maintenance and repair hassle.

My teenage son wants to start doing landscaping while I do building maintenance. We are starting with the usual old homeowners equipment but plan to upgrade to all battery-electric with solar chargers built into the trailer.

Sorry about all the electro-haters on here but I learned small engine repair in high school and really have learned to hate the small of old gas and oil on a hot summer day. I farmed for years too and hated starting issues on my John Deere 2 cylinders in Wintertime. Give me electric any day!

With the improvements in electronics and batteries I'd say in a few years electric outdoor equipment will be cheaper for homeowners and that will begin a free fall drop in profitability in small gas engines, relegating them to hobby status.
LOL, comparing the old two cylinder starting ability to anything built in the last 20 years is not even in the same ballpark. I get the idea of wanting to be green, but I dont think your idea is feasible, or at minimum would be a very small and close market. Ill keep my gas and diesel engines.
 

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If you really want to be green, why not use a push reel mower? There's no free lunch when it comes to energy.

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Personally I've been a big fan of Ryobi hand tools (drill, impact wrench, etc) for years. Even like the small blower for pool deck and walkway. Now they have come out with these:

https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/rm480e-electric-riding-lawn-mower

https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/75-ah-zero-turn-electric-riding-mower

And I have to admit I'm intrigued. We have a small (1/3 acre) yard and when you subtract the house, pool, deck and driveway- grass is maybe half that and there are a lot of obstacles. Currently have a Honda HRR walk behind that cuts the best I've ever seen but sometimes I'd like to ride, pull a small cart, thatcher etc. No tilling or plowing or anything. Almost silent operation, small, easy to maneuver, not cleaning or replacing carbs every season due to crappy gas in my area sounds sweet but 3 to 4 k is a lot for a "toy" especially if it doesn't like up to the cut quality I really want. Anyone try one of these? I trust the folks here a lot more that the online reviews and I'm prepared for the inevitable avalanche of "get a 7 series and be done"! They are great-just not what I need.

Thanks!
 

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Personally I've been a big fan of Ryobi hand tools (drill, impact wrench, etc) for years. Even like the small blower for pool deck and walkway. Now they have come out with these:

https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/rm480e-electric-riding-lawn-mower

https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/75-ah-zero-turn-electric-riding-mower

And I have to admit I'm intrigued. We have a small (1/3 acre) yard and when you subtract the house, pool, deck and driveway- grass is maybe half that and there are a lot of obstacles. Currently have a Honda HRR walk behind that cuts the best I've ever seen but sometimes I'd like to ride, pull a small cart, thatcher etc. No tilling or plowing or anything. Almost silent operation, small, easy to maneuver, not cleaning or replacing carbs every season due to crappy gas in my area sounds sweet but 3 to 4 k is a lot for a "toy" especially if it doesn't like up to the cut quality I really want. Anyone try one of these? I trust the folks here a lot more that the online reviews and I'm prepared for the inevitable avalanche of "get a 7 series and be done"! They are great-just not what I need.

Thanks!
I have been looking at the Ryobi rider as well, but I don’t think I would buy this machine, as it still uses traditional lead acid batteries rather than LI-Ion. The batteries on this mower will last 4-5 years when taking care off (trickle chargerd over winter). with automobiles going electric, I expect the LI-Ion battery cost to continue the steep drop and we know these last 10 years +. Within 5 years, I think electric mowers will replace gas mowers for all but heavy commercial use.
 

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Personally I've been a big fan of Ryobi hand tools (drill, impact wrench, etc) for years. Even like the small blower for pool deck and walkway. Now they have come out with these:

https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/rm480e-electric-riding-lawn-mower

https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/75-ah-zero-turn-electric-riding-mower

And I have to admit I'm intrigued. We have a small (1/3 acre) yard and when you subtract the house, pool, deck and driveway- grass is maybe half that and there are a lot of obstacles. Currently have a Honda HRR walk behind that cuts the best I've ever seen but sometimes I'd like to ride, pull a small cart, thatcher etc. No tilling or plowing or anything. Almost silent operation, small, easy to maneuver, not cleaning or replacing carbs every season due to crappy gas in my area sounds sweet but 3 to 4 k is a lot for a "toy" especially if it doesn't like up to the cut quality I really want. Anyone try one of these? I trust the folks here a lot more that the online reviews and I'm prepared for the inevitable avalanche of "get a 7 series and be done"! They are great-just not what I need.

Thanks!
I have not tried one, but have researched it quite a bit. If I had 1/3 acre minus house and hardscape, I would certainly try it out. The lead acid batteries longevity would depend on your storage scenario. They should be kept above 32F year round, and on a float charger over the winter. There is a lot of hate on Ryobi for choosing lead acid batteries. As an development engineer I can tell you that lithium ion would be cost prohibitive in a market striving to shake off high price tags. There are also more end-of-life considerations with Lithium ion.
 

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My opinion is some time in the future it will be against the law to cut grass just like you can't water your lawn in AZ.
 

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There are certainly places in the country that will not happen. For example, in some parts of Florida, they have mandated mowing requirements, allegedly to keep reptiles out of neighborhoods. If you don't mow, the city will do it for you and give you a bill and a fine. Personally, I believe that to be a scam, as you can't mow everywhere.

There are times when I wish I could stop mowing altogether here. But, I prefer the look of lawn over woods, at least in the front yard. My back yard is pretty natural (trees, rocks, underbrush, dirt), which is pretty maintenance-free other than cleaning up the sticks and leaves that fall from the trees.

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I'd like to see some hard data on the energy requirements to make batteries, use them and dispose or recycle them. Then compare that data to internal combustion engines. My guess is they're aren't better overall.

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