hey man thanks for the reply,yeah that was a pretty vague description indeed but thats all i have at the moment.i just bought it this evening and it has vines and stuff grown up around it lol."like most everything i buy" when i get it home maybe next week sometime i will get all the info off of it.it had the 205 on the hood and the guy i got it from said he thinks it is a 17 hp engine but dont know yet. ive got a barn full of sears craftsman lawn tractors but this is my first MF