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Hopefully somebody can advise before I trailer my ride on to the local honda dealer. Recently mowing the house paddock I selected reverse went back then selected a forward gear to find the machine would not move either forward or backwards. The gear shift can move but the rear wheels appear to be locked. Working to a timeline I abandoned the mighty honda and fired up my MTD back up. Lawns now complete I,m back to look at the honda. Any suggestions? Engine was running fine prior, no noises, gear shifting had been perfect until this time, nothing appeared to be out of sync or operating in a strange manor with the machine. Could the rear drive assembly have seized? Brake stuck on/seized, a clutch issue maybe? So before I tear my head apart I thought I should post here and see if anyone else has experienced this problem. Many thanks....
 

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from your descript it's not easy to tell what the problem could be

i haven't got a great deal of experience with the transmission, but one thing you could make clear - when you say it won't go forward or backward, are the wheels locked or it just won't move either direction under it's own power

if wheels aren't locked, i'd look at the linkage first, to make sure it's actually selecting gears - which you should be able to determine by removing the seat and the rear fenders / seat pan so you've got a good bird's eye view of the linkage and transaxle

if you throw me an email ([email protected]), tomorrow i can email you a scan of the clutch adjustment & linkage pages from the svc manual when i'm at a different computer
 

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thanks larryccf,
yes the wheels do appear to be locked thats my reason for thinking the problems is driveline/transmission/clutch. Will send you an email also. Rgds Rob
 

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I purchased a 4213 with the same symptoms, however it would not start either. Original owner was mowing, engine stopped and would not re-start or move, but it would free-wheel in neutral.

In my case a bearing in the clutch was seized. As a result the driveshaft would not turn (the engine and driveshaft are direct drive all the way back to the clutch). Since the drivshaft would not turn due to the clutch which was locked in place the engine would not turn over.

IMO it is clutch related. Or could be as simple as the brake is on full lock and not releasing.

I don't think it would be the rearend - I think I have read of only one instance for a rearend failure on this forum.

Here are some pics of the bearing failure. It was a bear to remove. But a great leaning experience taking it apart and fixing.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5628025790/in/set-72157626516992426

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5628029216/in/set-72157626516992426/

All tin panels removed.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5633737852/in/set-72157626516992426/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5633743426/in/set-72157626516992426/

BTW - the Honda shop told the original and previous owner that the tranmission was broken and would cost too much to repair. I got it cheap with a brand spanking hardly used snowblower.

Sometimes the Honda dealers are our best friend :trink40:
 

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Dlandsv,
thanks for your info very much appreciated, I will look at pics when at home tonight. Last night I looked under the guards and could see the cables etc near the clutch assembly however to properly inspect will need to remove seat and guards this weekend. I think you are correct in saying its not the rear given that last night I was able to rock the machine back and forward with a little turning movement in the wheels. Will post what I find after removing guards for a closer inspection. Regards Robert
 

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One last thing I forgot to mention.

If it stopped and locked in gear due to clutch failure it is exhibiting same characteristics as mine.

When you get the seat cover off, you should be able to move the lever to get the transmission out of gear. Once it is in neutral, then you should be able to move the tractor back and forth because even though the clutch disk and plate assembley is locked in place the fact that the transmission is in neutral will allow the wheels to turn because the splined shaft that goes into the clutch assembly doesn't turn inside of the locked clutch assembly.

When I got it apart I had to use a pipe wrench to break it loose so it would turn inside of the clutch. When they bind up they bind up.

Notice the good condition on the plating on the clutch after 20 years of use. Honda quality - amazing indeed.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5669935491/in/set-72157626516992426/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5633743426/in/set-72157626516992426/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5670506928/in/set-72157626516992426/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5669941497/in/set-72157626516992426/

PS: I bought another 3813 today for $200 from an original owner so I have four in my herd now. It's going to be a hard choice to decide which one to use for a parts tractor. I plan to put my snow blade on one, and my snowblower on the other and use the 4514 for mowing leaving one for parts.

It's almost as good a condition as my best of the lot with the custom paint.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5633172461/in/set-72157626516992426/
 

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be sure to let us know what you find - if same as dlandsv's issue, i suspect folks will want to know and start saving notes on the repair

any photos are always appreciated - good luck with the problem
 

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Gents,
apologies for the late response (been out cutting grass) I'm happy to report the problem I encountered was due to the change arm coming loose on the change lever shaft. Big thanks to Larry for his scanned pages of the lever mechanism. With these docs I was able to locate the issue and repair it myself therefore avoiding a trip to the local dealer. Many thanks for all your help it was very much appreciated...
 

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appreciate bob, but you've saved your share as well. I don't look on it as my effort - more the nature of this forum, folks just here to share what info they've got, as you've done on countless occasions
 
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