[leaguedude]

Hi all,

I new here. Was looking at a couple tractors and can't decide which one. I have a small lawn care company and the odd time a loader bucket would come in handy for moving loose gravel or dirt, etc. Here are the 2 machines, please let me know your opinions. Prices are in canadian dollars. Thank you in advance.


http://chatham-kent.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-tools-equipment-Ford-Yard-Tractor-W0QQAdIdZ137695366

http://cambridge.kijiji.ca/c-buy-an...ord-LGT-165-garden-tractor-W0QQAdIdZ136242897

 

[Chuck_050382]

both look nice, the 2nd one says it has a broken spindle.

the lgt 165 is older than lgt 14.

 

[leaguedude]

thanks for the quick response. Yes the 165 has one broken spindle on the right side and the left looks bent, but it is cheaper than the lgt 14. Also, are these 2 tractors built about the same as far as frame, spindles, tire size? Was just wondering which one would be heavier duty. I should be able to locate new spindles, but i will wait for the experts to plug in. thanks again

 

[Chuck_050382]

I think the 165 is a little more heavy duty than the 14, but i have never seen a 14. the 165 has the same frame as my 145.

I think that they would have the same size tires. I know the 165 has a steel tube frame but can't speak about the 14.

even if you can find stock replacement spindles with the stress of the loader you might want to look into heavier duty spindles.

 

[leaguedude]

Im leaning towards the 165 because i won't need the tractor until next spring which gives me time to restore it. Heavy duty spindles will be a must. Any ideas where i can find them? I have contacted the seller and will probably offer him 1100 or 1200 for the unit if every thing works and motor is good. I will probably go look at it tomorrow. thanks again

 

[Mickeymotormount]

Both tractors utilize the same tube frame construction and transmission. The tires are the same too. The exception being the rear tires. The 165 has wider rear tires.The 165 is pre '77 while the 145 is around 1980, give or take a couple years.
Both machines are nice. I'm preferential towards the early style but that's just me. Some opt and prefer the newer models.
Spindles and axles can be found on E-bay. Good luck with your decision.

 

[donimbimbo]

If it's really a LGT14 with hydrostatic then it's a LGT14H, same as what I have. Although Ford may have used the same model number with a different supplier. The 165 is a Jacobsen built machine. My LGT14H is a Gilson built from 1988 with a Kohler magnum engine. The frame on the later Gilsons was a C-channel not round tube and the frame is in two sections, front and rear. But I could be wrong and they may have used the same model designation with the early Jacobsen machines. There is a web site that has instructions for converting the front spindles to a 4 bolt arrangement using trailer wheel hubs. I'll see if I can find it and post the link.

 

[donimbimbo]

Here you go on the spindle upgrade
http://www.p.f.engineering.50megs.com/photo.html

 

[leaguedude]

wow thanks for the useful info. I am leaning towards the 165 now. It appears to have 3 point hitch also. It neads a bunch of work but it might be better suited for my purpose. I really want the heavier duty tractor. Keep em coming. I will be reading about spindles. lol

 

[Mickeymotormount]

The LGT 14 is really a LGT145 which is Jacobsen made. Looks like it had a recent paint job. Both are made by Jacobsen and are tube frame heavy duty tractors. Either one will suit your needs.

 

[poncho62]

leaguedude...Let us know how you make out....If you pass on the LGT16, I may head down that way........

 

[leaguedude]

Mikey thanks for the info again. That just might sway my decision. So, it's actually a 145 not a 14 which is good news. So basically the only differences between the two is a couple H.P. and the rear hydrolics and bigger rear tires. Hmmm, I'm going keep everyone posted. I have 4 more pics of the possible new LGT145. I will try to post. Oh, and Poncho, no problem, I will let you know shortly how I make out with the 165. Thanks again all, this is great stuff. I'm mostly a car guy but this is fun too.

 

[Mickeymotormount]

When it comes to the Jacobsen built LGT series, the 5 in the number designation indicates hydrostatic drive. Example: LGT120--12 hp gear drive transmission. LGT125--12 hp hydrostatic drive transmission. The 14 and 16 horsepower models were only offered in hydrostatic transmissions so all are either designated 145 or 165. The 10 horse models were gear drive only and the 12 horse models were available with either type transmission. Keep us posted with your selection.:goodl:

 

[leaguedude]

I bought the 165 yesterday. Sorry poncho, the 145 got sold before i got there. It needs some work but everything works at the moment. Anyways, once i get it in the garage, i will take some pictures and update my progress. Once again thanks for all the input.

 

[Chuck_050382]

I am looking forward to pictures.

 

[donimbimbo]

Congrats on the purchase. Guess I still have trouble telling the different vintages apart. Anyway - they are a lot of fun to restore, enjoy.

 

[leaguedude]

got the spindle welded today for the meantime. At least i can move and operate the tractor now. YaY. Anyways, it seems to operate very well considering it hasn't been looked after. The worst part of the entire unit is the dreaded steering. Tons of play, but for now to i need some help. I need a driver side ball joint for the drag link and was wondering what size i need and if this one will fit below. Will get some pictures up soon.....TY

http://cgi.ebay.com/MOWER-TRACTOR-R...34.c0.m14.l1262&_trkparms=|301:1|293:1|294:30

 

[poncho62]

The steering seems to be a weak point in these tractors.....Both of mine are sloppy as heck.......You can adjust the pin in the steering box to help it some.

leaguedude...Where are you located in Ont?

 

[leaguedude]

thank poncho, I will check out the steering box today to see if i can improve it. Im located in Sarnia

 

[leaguedude]

I adjusted the bottom of the steering box and virtually eliminated all the play in the steering box. Now there is a little more play in the ball joints. All 4 of them so I ordered some new ones from New Holland and should have the steering sorted soon. Thanks again for the help guys. I finally got the camera back from the wife. lol. will have pics soon.