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Hello Tractor experts.

We are planting a vineyard down here in SW England, and the time has come to get a tractor.

I know next to nothing about tractors, I'm researching now. The site is a 16 acre field, on an even gradient, not very steep. There are ditches at the perimeter, but it ain't the somme. The tasks I will need to achieve include:

- grass topping (up to 16 acres)
- spraying vines on trellises, perhaps using a tunnel sprayer in years to come
- towing
- loading manure or compost, perhaps with a FEL
- driving posts (not crtitical)

I also remember when I was young, a farmer nearby was crushed when his tractor turned over, so having a cab or roll bar, or being able to fit one, is attractive to me.

Budget wise I guess we could look at $4k max to start, so I think that keeps us in the compact tractor OR vintage tractor range. I'm happy with a vintage tractor, having run vintage cars in the past, but not if it means PTO, linkage etc is incompatible with standard equipment.

There are some nice Massey 35s on ebay, but they can date from the 1950s -
any thoughts on how old is too old, as well as any of the above, would be greatly appreciated.
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Welome to the Forum!!! Your needs are greater than a Garden Tractor will handle so I'm not going to be much help. Someone will be along in a bit to give you a hand though I'm sure. Good luck on your tractor hunting and your vineyard!
 

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I've moved your post over to the CUT Hut, as it sounds like you are in the market for a CUT or larger SCUT.

Your budget dictates used, so let's start out by you telling us what is available in your area of the UK. JD? New Holland? Case? Others?
 

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:MTF_wel2: Hawaiianivan!!!

Even the estate class GT's like the MF1655 or Cub supers would be overloaded with 16 acres to tend too. Something in the Massey 35 range should do for you, but that's just my inexperienced opinion as far as acreage management is concerned. Other than the grass cutting and maybe the spraying and post driving, an estate class GT could probably do the work for a couple of years, but you would definitely want something in the CUT class by then, and I think that's where you should start.

Is that $4k in U.S. funds or in Euros? In any event, I'll let the experts give you guidance. My $0.02 is only worth about a penny in Merry Olde.

Cheers.

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Hello again from Devon, England!

Hi All,

Thanks for the great responses and info so far.

A few years back I drove an old BMW 7 and found a web forum then invaluable in getting the best out of the car without having to re-mortgage the house - looks like there is something similar going on here, one of the best things the web has to offer, IMHO.

I said we had a max price of $4k, and I meant in USD, although we are (obviously), it would appear most of you guys are on the other side of the pond, so I was converting. And I was watching a Jeff Bridges movie at the time, so probably had a North American head on.

I reckon I would like to spend about £2,000+ on the tractor, and allow another £1,600 for two attachments: a topper and a sprayer. FEL and post driver can maybe wait, although, when I get a contractor's price for trellising, I might feel it would be better to invest in machinery and do it myself. For a start I will be putting in about 1000 posts, and that's only over the first 2 acres:swow:

anyway, I will be buying in the UK. Available on ebay and in Tractor and Machinery magazine (a fine read) : Kubota, MF, yanmar, Zetor (any thoughts on these?), John Deere, Case, David Brown, Fordson, Ford, International, and a few others besides, including some exotic European marques - It seems I have a good array of manufacturers to choose from.

In the tractor mag there are some vintage beasts that I really like the look of, plus my friend and mentor up the road (who runs 12 acre vineyard) has an old David Brown that he says is appreciating in value, and does a fine job for him... so I'm thinking vintage would be sweet, but also a bit nervous about obsolete components and reliability..

so thanks again guys, any thoughts, just throw em at me if you get a moment..:fing32:
 

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I'm no specialist but I would check out the japanese used imports. There should be a good deal in the 20-30 hp category for you there. I donot believe that your budget is going to get you very far though.

I once saw a fellow using his FEL to push in fence posts by excerting downpressure of the FEL to push the posts into the ground, so that might be a good idea if you want to save some time.

Good luck,

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Thanks, 7.

the limited budget is not going to get me far, true. However, I am pleasantly surprised at the amount of used machines between £1500-£3000.

OK, so you reckon 20-30 HP, and Japanese imports. That sounds sensible.

WRT to trellising, there are augur devices that hang off the three point linkage, with 6"- 12" bits, available for £500. what I can't figure out is how I could maneuvre the the tractor between the vines to get the holes in the right place. But I could reach up and over with an FEL to drive them in. That's a good thought.

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Hello everyone

Not been on here for a while since I moved and had no use for my GT-- but wish I had kept it just to mess with.

Anyway to the OP -- Mate of mine bought this Ford - it's also got a bucket front loader and is Japanese import - been worth it's weight in gold - just needed a new front tyre and battery over last two years along with fuel filter cleaning out . Runs a treat - I dare say you could use bucket to knock posts in if you ignore health and safety - the only thing is I think it cost just a bit more than your budget.






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Hi Dave,

The Ford looks just the ticket, 4WD if I'm not mistaken? That's another debate I am having with myself at the mo, 4WD OR Not? I think I'm prob OK with 2WD, but I presume 4WD is safer, particularly because I will be working on a slope, albeit not a steep one, and 4WD must present less risk for crabbing or flipping backwards..

Right now I'm all over the place, I have attached 3 machines I am considering. The Fordsons I just love the look of, and the Fordson Major claims to be a great workhorse, the JD seems like a great buy at that price - probably the JD is the one to go for, rationally, but, then if the Fordson Major can do the job, why not have a classic tractor?

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Ken, I always wondered what happen to those that got banished from this site and now I know when I look into the background along your fence :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh: slkpk
 

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...I dare say you could use bucket to knock posts in if you ignore health and safety - the only thing is I think it cost just a bit more than your budget.

Dave
When I saw the fellows working like this, one was operating the FEL and lowering it while the other was holding the fence post straight until it was held by the FEL. Then the forward budy moved away and the FEL pushed it approximately 1-2 feet into the ground. There wasn't any knocking or banging involved. It sure went fast.

I would up the budget a little and get something more modern.

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""I would up the budget a little and get something more modern.""

I would be inclined to agree - the power steering is great on the Ford - the only thing missing on that one is a sprung seat - that would be useful.

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Chaps,

Yes, power steering might be a priority. The FEL pushing posts in sounds excellent, I could open the ground a little with a big crowbar, and then slide 'er in!

Ken, that is a nice looking machine..

I think the budget probably has to stay as it is :(

But what about the John Deere 2130, any experience of those out there?
 

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Hello Tractor experts.

We are planting a vineyard down here in SW England, and the time has come to get a tractor.

I know next to nothing about tractors, I'm researching now. The site is a 16 acre field, on an even gradient, not very steep. There are ditches at the perimeter, but it ain't the somme. The tasks I will need to achieve include:

- grass topping (up to 16 acres)
- spraying vines on trellises, perhaps using a tunnel sprayer in years to come
- towing
- loading manure or compost, perhaps with a FEL
- driving posts (not crtitical)

I also remember when I was young, a farmer nearby was crushed when his tractor turned over, so having a cab or roll bar, or being able to fit one, is attractive to me.

Budget wise I guess we could look at $4k max to start, so I think that keeps us in the compact tractor OR vintage tractor range. I'm happy with a vintage tractor, having run vintage cars in the past, but not if it means PTO, linkage etc is incompatible with standard equipment.

There are some nice Massey 35s on ebay, but they can date from the 1950s -
any thoughts on how old is too old, as well as any of the above, would be greatly appreciated.
:thanku:
For a vineyard, you might look at the Goldoni line of tractors
http://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/orchard-tractors/1/7002/goldoni.html

once you get going you are going to need MORE MACHINERY...:D
 

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For a vineyard, you might look at the Goldoni line of tractors
http://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/orchard-tractors/1/7002/goldoni.html

once you get going you are going to need MORE MACHINERY...:D
Cool link but did you notice where they are located? It might be only a short trip to go get them :sidelaugh.

But he is absolutly right that they are perfect for my area with steep slopes, but if I remember correct the original post stated slightly elevated no hills.

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Cool link but did you notice where they are located? It might be only a short trip to go get them :sidelaugh.

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In Canada, 1600 kilometres is a short trip. :ROF

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Thanks for the cool link, indeed. More machinery, yup. In my opinion there is no such thing as too much machinery.

The probs with the continental machines like the Goldini is maintenance and repairs. I have dealership for Case 3 miles away that will service most standard tractors, but my vigneron friend up the road found that his vineyard tractor, bought in Germany, was rendered useless when he most needed it because the supply chain for spares is almost non-existent.

With this in mind we planted the vines in rows 3.6m (12') apart, so we can use a standard tractor, or a CUT, or whatever, which really frees up the choices we can make.

Pictures of the vineyard, a month out of date now, can be seen at our facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Silve...erton-Vineyard/120205901333860?v=wall&ref=sgm

I'm currently looking a this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....0&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123#ht_878wt_1052

the buyer won't tell me how many hours it's done, and it ain't that prettty at all..
 
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