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Frozen seat,,,,,no run,,,?????

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Well heres a new one....it has been very cold here in middle TN 16's at night went to use the 2305 to bring up more firewood, the tractor had been parked near where the wood is stored so I started it up while standing on the ground not in the seat,,,,,loaded up the wood, sat down in the seat and it felt funny...seemed very hard like maybe it was.....FROZEN....it was and because it was frozen the seat would not compress enough to activate the seat switch so ever time I put it in gear it would shut off.....bypassed the seat switch (did not want too do this) long enough to get the wood to the house then parked the tractor in the sun to thewe out ....dealer says to park it in the sun with the seat down.....I say Replace it for me now......
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While bypassing the switch will allow you to run we need to find a long-term fix. I see a few comments here that the newer JDs have the switch mounted between the pan and the body rather than inside the seat foam, my BX series mounts the switch next to the seat springs at the rear of the seat. This got me to wondering, how hard would it be to install a switch at the seat springs, or do these tractors not have springs?
there are two coil springs might be a better place to mount some kind of switch it would be exposed to the elements more .....dammed if we do,,,,dammed if we don't kinda thing
My BX uses a switch beside the right coil spring. There are 2 paddles, one mounts to the body and the other to the seat frame above the spring. Only issue I ever had was when a small stick jammed in it and held it on even with me off the seat. I'll try to snap a pic of it over the weekend unless someone else beats me to it! HINT HINT!
I dont think it has anything to do with water at all. As mentioned above the switch requires you to compress the foam to trigger the switch. The foam is just stiff when cold like many other things so you are sitting on top of the foam and not pushing down.
Maybe this is me but do you expect to keep the tractor out in the weather and have no problems with it, just asking? Any how mine is in a unheated barn and when it's really cold for a prolonged time 2-3 day the seat gets rock hard. I'm kind of over weight and it still won't engage the switch. Usually sit on it for 5-10 minutes while it's warming up and then NP. Good Luck
Aside from the original problem, I see another emerging. We have 1 manufacturer with what seems like too many different ways to do the same thing. Why not find 1 good way to do the job and stick with it throughout the product line?
I dont think it has anything to do with water at all. As mentioned above the switch requires you to compress the foam to trigger the switch. The foam is just stiff when cold like many other things so you are sitting on top of the foam and not pushing down.
sorry to disagree but it has everthing to do with water in the foam just before it got so cold I did notice that the the yellow covering and foam were not as plyable as normal which was ok i expected this to happen and the switch worked but the day it froze it was like sitting on an frozen pond no give at all.

yesterday it was in the 60's here and there was water running out of the seat when I sat on it PLUS the seat failed the test where you put it in gear while its running and then stand up and its supposed to shut off the engine in 1/2 second it took 3-4 seconds to kill the engine,,,,,not a good thing....
A suggestion..........

Take the seat off, and take it into the house for 4-5 days to completely dry out.

Patch seat with something, colored duct tape ? And keep covered with a small tarp when not in use.

Good luck
Well if you have water in the seat then you cant expect the seat switch to work when it freezes. You are sitting on a brick :)

Guess the repair needs to be figuring out where the water is coming from !
Well if you have water in the seat then you cant expect the seat switch to work when it freezes. You are sitting on a brick :)

Guess the repair needs to be figuring out where the water is coming from !
i found the top part of seat cushion has pulled away from the seat bucket far enough to allow my to put my hand inside and feel the foam rubber,,,,will be calling the dealer monday to see what they want to do about this problem,,,,this a tractor that is 10 months old
Let is know how you come out. I havent had any issues but mine is garaged and doesnt get wet excpet for washing. However I am not happy about how the seat rubs the rear fender pan. The black is wore off the seat back in a couple spots !
Is it me or do I think we expect to much from our equipment. The tractor is left outside, it gets wet from rain I'm sure, it freezes because of cold temps I'm sure. Should we/you really expect the dealer to warrentee a wet seat that's left outside in the weather. Just my thought.
Is it me or do I think we expect to much from our equipment. The tractor is left outside, it gets wet from rain I'm sure, it freezes because of cold temps I'm sure. Should we/you really expect the dealer to warrentee a wet seat that's left outside in the weather. Just my thought.
If the seat is separating from normal use in that short of time JD should be doing something about it. I know i'm hard on my stuff and i never in four years of having my 2210 did the seat separate like he mentions. What gets me is some of yall saying these things should be inside.. Well.. where are ALL or almost all of them sitting when you go to JD... OUTSIDE. sooo.. If they are not built to sit outside maybe they should have all of them inside.
I have the same problem with my Massey GC2310. It lives in a carport with a carpet on the seat and a tarp covering the whole tractor. Water is definitely not the problem! The carpet is bone dry, and so is the seat, but at -20, it doesn't take long to figure out why the carpet is there. The seat is as warm and flexible as an ice block, and pretty much remains in that state untill spring.

I don't know of any construction firms that keep their equipment inside and I've seen farm tractors without cabs parked out in field in the winter. Why would anyone design a piece of outdoor equipment that will not operate correctly in the cold? I got this tractor specifically for snow removal, and the problem showed up the very first time that I went to use it for that purpose.

I've dealt with the problem.
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Sorry I intruded on this thread, I "rescued" all three of my machines from the scrap yard. All were abused for over 20 years each, left outside, Water in the engine crankase and transaxles, Joints rusted and froze stiff, seats cracked beyond use, and many other unmentionables. I just can't see repeating the abuse after restoreing them.

I understand the need to leave equipment in the weather, and expecting the equipment to function properly in said such weather, but I think there are limits as to what to expect. even for new equipment.
if the seat is tearing like that, then yeah there is something Deere needs to fix.

FWIW, i've noticed that the seat tear up even quicker when people grab them to climb on/off. my X500 actually has finger indentions where my kids climb on it in teh garage! never have understood why Deere makes a seat that rips so easily, maybe they should go to a cloth seat instead of that rigid vinyl.
I understand the need to leave equipment in the weather, and expecting the equipment to function properly in said such weather, but I think there are limits as to what to expect. even for new equipment.
Sorry Larry, but I disagree. Sub freezing temperatures are a fact of life for the majority of both Canada and the U.S. for a substantial part of each year. Safety devices that prevent the operation of equipment solely due to the low temperatures that are normally expected are not acceptable on multi-thousand dollar pieces of equipment that are otherwise designed for those conditions.

Normally expected winter temperatures in this locale can, on a rare occassion, range down to as low as -40. I expect my equipment to function correctly down to -37*C., within reason (I'm not a pure masochist), especially when it only has 50 hours on it and the temperature is only a relatively mild 15*F.

With all the stress that has been placed on safety related issues over the last few decades, this type of screw up lights up my hot button. My 1977 tractor had the same problem and the designers couldn't correct it in 29 years? There is a word for that. Matter of fact, there are several words for that. Some of them are even printable!
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Probally not recommended, but.... Add a "safety" bypass switch on the dash and lable it as "emergency run" there are some Militery equipment that has this option. When things warm up, place the switch in the "normal Op" position.

Just a thought.
Probally not recommended, but.... Add a "safety" bypass switch on the dash and lable it as "emergency run" there are some Militery equipment that has this option. When things warm up, place the switch in the "normal Op" position.

Just a thought.
It's just a bandaid for something that shouldn't be a issue..

These seats should work fine.. OR they need to come up with a new idea..
I keep mine inside in a heated garage. I wax it too. LOL

BUT a compact utility is supposed to be designed to be outside. Shouldnt have the issues.

We have to remember that a lot of us talking are hobbiest but there are others that just use it for the tool it was supposed to be.

Should work if left outside or Deere has done something wrong.
Just a reminder fellas, discussing the bypassing of safety switches is strictly forbidden due to liability issues.

Thanks for your understanding.
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