I just bought a Ford Jubilee and went out and got a brush hog to clear out my field and along my driveway. I got the thing all set up no problem but have had difficulties getting it to run. I can engage the PTO but then am not able to put it in drive without grinding the gears. I can back over something, put the tractor in neutral and then engage the PTO but can't seem to move and brush hog at the same time. I'm assuming I am doing something wrong as I have never used a PTO driven implement before. Did have fun chewing up a big bush I've wanted gone for some time though. Any suggestions?
Ford Jubilee with a brush hog
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After the tractor/bush-hog combo pushes you through a fence,,,,,
you will be ready to buy an overrunning clutch for the pto,,, :swow:
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Massey Tractors up to 75 horsepower PTO Over-Running Clutch (1-3/8" Female & Male) (MIS138)
you will be ready to buy an overrunning clutch for the pto,,, :swow:
Massey Tractors up to 75 horsepower PTO Over-Running Clutch (1-3/8" Female & Male) (MIS138)
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Im assuming that the Jubilee has a PTO like the 8n... If so it sounds like the cutter is feeding back through the trans, and not allowing it to stop spinning. As CD showed. get one of those overrunning clutches. You will thank us later!!
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the jubilee was built with an optional live pto meaning some had it and some did not
if the tractor has a live pto it will accomplish this with a two stage clutch
the clutch pushed all the way down will stop everything pto and forward movement
a two stage clutch will disengage the forward motion when pushed to a point all most all the way down, but will leave the pto running until clutch is fully engaged
there are three types of pto system in American tractors,
1. standard manual pto is driven by the transmission and only runs when the tractor is actually moving, this was prevalent into the early 60's on most tractors as base standard equipment, the fact that your grinding gears after the pto is engaged leads me to think that it is a manual tractor, and the pto can not be spinning when you are attempting to put it in gear
2. the live pto is still ran from the transmission but now has a separate clutch for the pto operation this is either done with a two stage foot clutch as in the old fords/Ferguson's, or with a hand clutch such as on the old two cylinder john deeres and allis Chalmers tractors
3. the independent pto ( independent of the transmission)is what is sold on most modern tractors, where the pto can be engaged and disengaged with just the lever or electric button (like on a lawn mower) without touching the clutch at all. however many of the smaller new foreign tractors sold today do not have this as a part of there tractors
the override clutch is a must for the old non live pto tractors, (especially for someone who is new to this type of equipment) a implement such as your bush hog will continue to spin (kinetic energy)and therefore continue to push the tractor forward,and there have been many incidents where tractors have been pushed into fences and ditches and novice operators hurt and killed through the years
get you tractor and bush hog together on a good open piece of real-estate, and put the transmission and pto in 1st gear before you let out on the clutch, then let the clutch out slowly.. if the bush hog starts spinning before you start forward motion on the tractor then your tractor is equipped with a two stage clutch and live pto, if the pto and forward motion start at the same time then it is a non live pto.
the override clutch is not that expensive and I would get one A.S.A.P. even if it is a live pto tractor that is just a good safety device
check out this video at 6.40 it tells about pto operation
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looking at your screen name I am thinking you might be in KY, I am in hart county and if you are close I will gladly let you come buy and try out the different types of pto operation since I have something with all 3 types and let you pick my mind on things that might interest you about tractors
if the tractor has a live pto it will accomplish this with a two stage clutch
the clutch pushed all the way down will stop everything pto and forward movement
a two stage clutch will disengage the forward motion when pushed to a point all most all the way down, but will leave the pto running until clutch is fully engaged
there are three types of pto system in American tractors,
1. standard manual pto is driven by the transmission and only runs when the tractor is actually moving, this was prevalent into the early 60's on most tractors as base standard equipment, the fact that your grinding gears after the pto is engaged leads me to think that it is a manual tractor, and the pto can not be spinning when you are attempting to put it in gear
2. the live pto is still ran from the transmission but now has a separate clutch for the pto operation this is either done with a two stage foot clutch as in the old fords/Ferguson's, or with a hand clutch such as on the old two cylinder john deeres and allis Chalmers tractors
3. the independent pto ( independent of the transmission)is what is sold on most modern tractors, where the pto can be engaged and disengaged with just the lever or electric button (like on a lawn mower) without touching the clutch at all. however many of the smaller new foreign tractors sold today do not have this as a part of there tractors
the override clutch is a must for the old non live pto tractors, (especially for someone who is new to this type of equipment) a implement such as your bush hog will continue to spin (kinetic energy)and therefore continue to push the tractor forward,and there have been many incidents where tractors have been pushed into fences and ditches and novice operators hurt and killed through the years
get you tractor and bush hog together on a good open piece of real-estate, and put the transmission and pto in 1st gear before you let out on the clutch, then let the clutch out slowly.. if the bush hog starts spinning before you start forward motion on the tractor then your tractor is equipped with a two stage clutch and live pto, if the pto and forward motion start at the same time then it is a non live pto.
the override clutch is not that expensive and I would get one A.S.A.P. even if it is a live pto tractor that is just a good safety device
check out this video at 6.40 it tells about pto operation
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looking at your screen name I am thinking you might be in KY, I am in hart county and if you are close I will gladly let you come buy and try out the different types of pto operation since I have something with all 3 types and let you pick my mind on things that might interest you about tractors
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Have you tried pushing the clutch in while at a stop, putting the shifter into gear first and then engaging the PTO handle before letting out the clutch?
The optional "live PTO" on the Jubilee did NOT use a 2 stage clutch as the later (660, 661, 860 & 861)tractors did. The two stage clutches were only ever available on the 5 speed transmissions and the NAA (Jubilee) was never offered with a 5 speed.
The optional "live PTO" on the Jubilee was a separate clutch that was situated between the transmission output and the differential that had it's own control lever so you could disengage the rear axle from the transmission with the lever and the PTO would continue to spin because the standard single stage clutch at the front of the transmission was still engaged.
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The optional "live PTO" on the Jubilee did NOT use a 2 stage clutch as the later (660, 661, 860 & 861)tractors did. The two stage clutches were only ever available on the 5 speed transmissions and the NAA (Jubilee) was never offered with a 5 speed.
The optional "live PTO" on the Jubilee was a separate clutch that was situated between the transmission output and the differential that had it's own control lever so you could disengage the rear axle from the transmission with the lever and the PTO would continue to spin because the standard single stage clutch at the front of the transmission was still engaged.[/QUOTE]
did not know this I was assuming it was the same set up as the old power master I had with the two stage clutch, never had any dealing with a jubilee
The optional "live PTO" on the Jubilee was a separate clutch that was situated between the transmission output and the differential that had it's own control lever so you could disengage the rear axle from the transmission with the lever and the PTO would continue to spin because the standard single stage clutch at the front of the transmission was still engaged.[/QUOTE]
did not know this I was assuming it was the same set up as the old power master I had with the two stage clutch, never had any dealing with a jubilee
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