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My wife and I have about a 20 year old asphalt driveway in need of replacement.

We have been looking at concrete. Got a estimate to replace 22’x90’ for both brushed as well we exposed aggregate. The aggregate looks a lot better in our opinion, but is also double the cost. If we go with aggregate, I thought of just putting stone at the last 10’ of the driveway by the road, rather than putting asphalt there.

Planning ahead, we will be retired within 30years and would love to not have to worry about another driveway replacement and I don’t see us living here too long into retirement when it comes.

Another reason we’re thinking of aggregate is we have an 1800s brick house and the aggregrate seems like to more modern and durable approach of a stone driveway. Also the different colors of stone would be a nice touch. Had stone growing up so I’m aware of the upkeep needed for that. I think we were told the seal for aggregrate will last 5-7 years. Broom finish seems too out of place. Stamped concrete might be too much with our brick.

I do have a snow blade I would use in the winter so I’d have to be careful with that. We do have 2 green ash trees that drop all over the driveway and I would alway use a broom to clear. I have found a local JD broom for sale at a good price (tired looking, supposedly works fine) that could help clean up easier.

We have been saving for this and plan for replacement next spring. I’m looking for any feedback, things to consider, other types of driveways, etc.
 

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Good to know, thank you all.
The company we tentatively are going with, based on reviews, is you get what you pay for. A little more expensive than others, but great. This is good info to inquire for long term success.

A small part of me wants a stone drive with concrete border.
 

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Garage is not attached. The garage wad added in 2001 and the concrete floor has had up really well. We park in there during the winter months only.
 

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Received a message Monday from the company wanting to start later this week. Came over last night to finalize what were doing. Mentioned he would be here with crew by 10am to start demoing.

This far, they have removed our 26'x4' front concrete walk way, 20'x90' blacktop driveway, and 26'x3' concrete garage apron. Have a trailer full wire mesh right now.

Our front walkway will be exposed aggregate with a slight S curve to the driveway.The driveway will be white concrete with diamond cut.

Want to pour walkway tomorrow.

Spent last night moving things I may need from the garage to either the shed or basement. Spent 2 hours this morning removing the remaining landscaping out front a long the walkway.
 

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Our contract says they won't do any landscaping after. I'm considering getting sod for the one side of the driveway. I asked them to save good dirt, which is mostly what was used for the landscaping, so I'll probably have to buy some as well.

The biggest concern is there will be a few inch difference in hight between the concrete and remaining blacktop by the road. The remaining blacktop will be replaced, so might have to figure out how to ease the transition for a bit. Won't be an issue for my truck, but wouldn't want me wife to damage her Malibu
 

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We picked summer biege. They add the color to the concrete. I was worried it would look more like a dye, but real happy with this. Looks more like a dirt path with stones embedded, which since we have such and older home, takes a modern approach on that. Time will tell the final color. Also will have sealed, so I think that will impact color as well. Makes me question if the driveway should be any color but white concrete, but oh well, think it'll look great regardless.

Originally wanted exposed aggregate for the driveway too, but not at that price tag. We don't have nor want children, so we perhaps could have swung it with a home improvement loan. Also, not sure how long it would've held up overtime in Buffalo winter's and with my operation of a snow blade.

Will also have to add a new coat of paint to the front stairs. The rest of the trim in the front was repainted in 2020. Steps were repainted in 2018 so gotta spruce that up... in about 3 weeks...
 

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I may have misunderstood. This morning (5:30) my dog started barking. Couple guys already working removing remaining oarder supports and cleaning up. Cut diamond pattern and hosed off. I believe driveway had to be dry for sealer.

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Didn't take a picture of the relief cuts in the sidewalk. Can barely tell they're there. Had to get up close to see. Think the concrete stain color and stone really mask it well.
 

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Looks like they did do nice cement work....but I notice your house more than the new concrete...that is really beautiful...are you in New England?...I think brick houses are just magnificent (y)...the porch with its columns and those windows on the house certainly add to it also ....you must be very proud of that house
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Thanks, we love the house and it was only the 2nd house we viewed (first house with our realtor). We live in Western New York, about 45 minutes north of Buffalo, 30 minutes of Niagara Falls. We went with the exposed aggregate sidewalk as it is a more modern version of a stone path that fits the house well. Would have liked that for the driveway, but not at the price tag. Think the white concrete looks better than blacktop.

We had got some info from the PO and our town historian. Land was purchased in 1825, house believed to be built in 1835. Maybe a few years older since we do not have lintels atop the windows and rather have a brick arch. That, or the original owner/farmer was very wealthy. The PO had walked here from Maine to purchase this property. The porch posts are not original and are fiberass, but I have what I believe may have been an original or two, along with 3 or 4 porch posts that were used in the back porch prior to the barn addition. Cannot tell what they say, but there was an ink stamp with our.towns name on one of the back porch posts (square base).

Two weeks ago we had an elderly couple stop by around 4:30pm. It was the great great great (maybe one more great) grandson of the 2nd owner of the home. Was in with his wife from Michigan seeing family. He had a whole family tree book with him, including and uncirculated picture we have in our living room, which the PO estimated to be from the 1930s, but could be sooner along with pictures of grave stones. I recognized the name from the town historian. That family purchased in 1864 after the first owner passed.

The back of the home had a barn addition at some point (was not original) and then torn down in the late 80s/early 90s. We have a picture from 1984 with the addition.

The interior has been renovated and the oldest thing inside (aside from beams and joists) is some newspaper used as installation in the basement.

Picture from 1984. Found this on Vintage Aerial | historic aerial photography of rural American farms and homesteads I did buy a quality picture of it.
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The attached barn and detached barn are long gone. We have the bell from the cupola in the barn. It was hidden under some ivy underneath the back porch when we moved in. It now sits in our garden out back. Would need some work to hang on a post. The property was originally 120 acres. The PO's father was swindled out of 110 acres back in the mid-2000s for about $50k. The rest was sold off throughout the years for our now neighbors. The property is now mostly wooded though some field plots remain free from trees. Think someone still bailed hay through the mid 2000s sale.
 

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Both driveway and walkway were sealed Saturday morning. Walkway has a different sealer that makes it shine. Will work on the landscaping this weekend. Will think out some hostas and integrate purple Rozanne geraniums. Can see below in the back our current hostas. Will continue to follow to outside of the walkway with boasts and geraniums. Dug up a bunch of hostas last fall in preparation of this so they are will established.
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This week my wife and I were off of work. Some work done up front.
Restained the front porch ceiling. Before/after:
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Staining took 4 days. Day 3 ended with about 15% left and we ran out of stain. HD was out, but was restocked this morning so we finished in about 30 minutes. Goes quicker with the 2 of us.

Started some landscaping + prep.
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Plant Plant community Vertebrate Natural landscape Grass

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Thinned out the hostas and added rozanne geraniums. 2 hosats, 1 geranium, etc.

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Will half or quarter our iris to plant here along with Jacobs ladder. We'll play by ear what else goes here. Still have to move a little dirt out of this area.
 

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Exhausted. All work so far has been completed manually with a wheelbarrow, shovels, and a landscape rake.

Wife started to and filled in dirt along side one side of the driveway. Will have to fix the yard a little to allow more room for water run off. Other side of driveway have mature evergreen shrubs, so will have to come up with some type of retaining wall for dirt/mulch as shrubs sit up much higher than the driveway.

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Landscaped again.
All landscape was from what we had dug up prior to the new install. Unfortunately, not much left for any color this time of the year. Will mulch once I can drive the truck on the driveway.

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Next project is to buy and install landscaping timber as a retaining wall for our bushes along the side of the house. The ground there sits up much higher now than the previous driveway.

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landscape timbers are a short-term solution here in the wood rot zone.
I'd like your feedback/recommendation.

My only experience with PT landscape timber was growing up. Around 1993-1995 my dad built our front and back decks. My dad used landscape timbers along the house for our landscaping and retaining wall (one side had a bigger slope than the others). My brother bought the house and eventually sold it to move out of state in 2019. The same timbers were installed the whole 25 or so years. They were stained to match the decking.

We previously had railroad ties. The buried ones were in terrible shape. I do have some railroad ties (though not enough to stack 2 high). I don't want to use them here even if I could get more because with a new driveway, I don't think they would fit too well. Guess I'm looking for something that you don't really notice and will also hold up.

I will be getting help from my dad for this (I want to do it right the first time and be done with it). I was thinking only half of the first timber would be buried (the back half while the other half is supported by the driveway) and the build up from there. Obviously, the back half would be in contact with dirt/mulch as well.

Plan was for PT landscape timber. Not sure if I am missing something. Should I have ground contact wood as the base layer before using PT landscape timber? I'm not sure what my dad did for good long term success, but I suspect in 20-25 my wife and I will have downsizd so if I get the same success, it'll outlast my stay here.
 

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I would use retain wall block as they would also last longer, not look out of place and blend better with the new sidewalk and drive. There are many shapes, sizes and colors to choose from.
I just have not had much luck with landscape timbers. The front face can be kept look nice. But the back sides and bottom faces rot away. Then there are also the pesky bugs they attract.
Thank you for your thoughts. We did briefly discuss using other materials. We will have about 46' long and about 8" high to cover. We first actually thought of using old brick we still have from the old addition of the house. Thought about adding in concrete bricks as well to give it a unique look (like the brick was meant to be there and the concrete bricks were added to spots where needed due to bricks breaking etc.) I think ultimately we thought any type of brick, stone, paver, retaining wall paver would be too busy whereas the timber would be there, serve a purpose and ultimately not be noticable. We had that thought while re-staining our porch ceiling in June. No one will ever notice the new stain job but us, or if they do, will notice it once for a few seconds and that's that. Not sure the time and money for something other than landscape timber would be worth the effort. It's also a summer of projects, so I might be getting a little burnt out from that, plus, after having thyroid cancer and surgery in the winter, with my med dosage not being where it should be, I'm often tired, so I always question my decisions.

I did find a purple ground cover (in case we don't have enough purple already) to plant underneath the pine shrubs, so that may be come the focal point or at be more noticable. @MARK (LI) we do have ivy underneath our back porch. The deer discovered it 2 winter's ago and now have a new source of food. They also eat out pine shrubs some winter's so they can quickly do some damage.
 
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