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I'm gonna go out on a limb here. One, I hate to admit I'm a Doctor(something I hate to do on internet forums because of the way people wind up treating you...like we're not allowed to have opinions of our own). OK with that said,

I've been reading a lot of posts lately that seem to demean people for:
1) not knowing certain things
2) not knowing or not taking care of tractors

Here's my thoughts on this. This time of year brings out all sorts of questions about lawn care and tractor care. Many times it's the same old questions year after year(happens at every discussion forum no matter the topic). There are some technicians on here that get on to help people but also they come to vent frustration from work(that is just normal).
So what's yer point, Doc?

OK here it is. In my profession we automatically assume the person coming in for help has no clue about what is wrong with them(may know....like a broken arm or something) but they certainly don't know how to FIX themselves.
I would caution those in the tractor industry from berating people for not knowing how to FIX a tractor and become insensitive to those that truly don't and call them a moron or something along those lines. Hey, we all have our areas of expertise. Please don't berate someone for not knowing how to do something unless you expect your Doctor to berate you for not knowing how to fix your own ailments.

I hope I came across as I mean to. Not trying to be mean. I'm trying to show a parallel here.

My background with mechanical knowledge: I have owned and raced dirt bikes for decades. I have run harescrambles, enduros, GNCCs, and ISDE qualifiers for those that know what they are. So I have a background with some mechanical ability from tearing them down. Now, when it comes to tractors, I can see what makes what work and why but sometimes I certainly don't know everything and that is why I come here.............to learn.
And I thank everyone that posts anything, whether it be right or wrong.......I still learn.
Hope I made sense.
Cheers :trink39:
 

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Hey Dieselnut -

Thank you from us super Newbies! I don't know what I would do if my basic questions were treated with scorn or put down. I'm grateful to everyone for helping me along. :thanku:

But, even as a newbie to tractors, life has taught me that proper maintenance will keep something running longer. Just like a car. So I would expect to get spanked, if I was too lazy to learn how to change the oil, put additive in my fuel, or clean the icky from under the deck. I consider it like getting my regular booster shot for tetanus since I'm around horse poop.

Anyway, I hear what you are saying! My Marty is a total geek on Marine electronics, but can't make gravy worth a darn. So we help each other.

Time to go garden!

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diesel_nut...is that a medical term ?? Small fry could be... :sorry1: Just kidding....:fing20:


Good post, I would add....Not knowing is one thing, I think we try to help them. Not taking care is another thing, it's a choice. As a doctor you know what that leads to.

But you are right, if we started bashing people that did not take care of there self, We would have a bunch of people on MTF PO most likely.

I guess it's a choice we should respect. Weather it's a tractor or your health, do as you wish, it's yours.

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"Nuf said, dieselnut. A wise man (Dad) once told me that you are never to old to learn something new.
 

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I must have my rose colored glasses on. I don't think I've seen any demeaning posts on this site ??? That's the good thing about MTF, people are friendly and eager to help us non- mechanical types.
 

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AWWWWW....SHUT UP!















he he he....just kidding. :biglaugh:

I agree 100%. It seems that the primary purpose of this board is to share knowledge and that if a member asks a question, he obviously not an expert on the issue and obviously does not have the knowledge. It would be great if folks could all learn to read their replies before hitting the "Post" button and to be self-critical. Alas, we are all human and commit "inconsiderations" from time to time but I, too, have seen a number of rather flippant reples in my year or so here. As a professional financial adviser, I always remember 1 basic tenet: "There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers!"

Good thread.....I hope all members will read and consider!
 

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Don't you love it when someone hides the facts when they ask you to diagnose something. Applies to both tractors and health. They figure "If you know what you're doing, you'll figure it out and not catch me at what I did."
 

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Just read the next thread.....guess that's what you were referring to, diesel_nut ? " Why can't people take care fo tractors " ?? my mistake.
 

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Well, as a moderator, I must say your post is appreciated as well as those who have replied. simple_john and staff have strifed from day one to create a safe and family oriented atmosphere here at MTF. Most of us on staff had been involved with other forums where member bashing and arguments were the prevailing mood of the day. We strive to keep that at bay here, and as such expect members to treat people with respect. Such as it is, with 20'000 plus members, it is an everyday effort for John and 30 some moderators to watch over, but I feel we still have "the friendliest" tractor forum on the net today as evidenced from our growth. That being said, thanks for your input and involvment here :).
 

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I hope I didn't get the idea across that all I see is bashing because that is FAR from the truth. This place is fantastic. I have had so much help already from pretty much everyone. I try to post to help but sometimes I think "you don't know that much about this so let someone else respond".....and sometimes I don't.

Sheila: you are quite the opposite of tradition. I respect your knowledge and abilities and I think that is awesome!!

Small fry: diesel nut comes from the fact I own 3 diesel vehicles(but none of them are tractors unfortunately. A Ford Excursion, a VW New Beetle and a VW Jetta and a former Passat and another Jetta.

I guess my post was mainly pointed toward those that work in tractor shops and having to deal with dummies like me that might know how to fix something but many times I don't know the name of a the part I want. I know what it does and how to fix it but not knowing the name(and being dressed up like a Doctor when I go in) makes them think I don't know anything......which is what I said to do in the first place :) . Oh well.

My thanks to everyone on here, the Moderators and the site owner for all you do to help the rest of us.
 

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Dieselnut,

Hey, now I totally hear where you are coming from! I'm a short blond who shops in the kids department, so it can get interesting invading certain male bastions that smell of WD-40 and grease. But unlike you, I know the name of the part. It is a --

DOOHICKY!

(Unless it’s a thingamajig) .:hide:

Fishingly yours,

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Dieselnut,


Fishingly yours,

sheila
Now we're talkin'! What kind of fishing do you do? I fish for mainly bass, blue gill, trout and sometimes crappie(although I don't search them out). Got into fly fishing a couple of years ago and am 'hooked'. I fish for most everything with a fly rod when I can. If I need to 'go deep' I use a spinning rod. I tie my own flies now and that is a hoot.
 

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I'll go a bit ot here -

I have a passion for fishing - From Kona Coast Marlin, to Silver lake crappie, to Bow fishing for Carp. I totally Love Deep Sea Bottom Fishing because you don't know what you are gonna get.

I used to fish across the street, but don't do as much of it anymore, they changed the Upper E. Fork of the Lewis River (where I live)to Catch and release only. They quit planting Hatchery fish, for the native runs of Steelhead and Salmon to have a better chance.

I'm all for saving the natives on this wild river (no dams) I just have a hard time with the release part of the rules, fish greedy wench I am. :D

If you can handle letting them go, just across the street,there is a lovely stretch of mowed bank and smooth water perfect for the fly fishing you enjoy.

Since it will be a while until Daisy is ready for her "Tractor Porn" Pictures - Let me leave you with a little NW Fishing Porn. This is Vintage Hot Tub Fishing, 15 years ago.

Best Fishes!

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Not knowing is one thing, Not taking care is another thing, it's a choice. As a doctor you know what that leads to.


I guess it's a choice we should respect. Weather it's a tractor or your health, do as you wish, it's yours.

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Diesel_nut, a very good post, and I like the analogy. To carry it a step further, let's look at Small Fry's comment.

Not knowing what's wrong with you might be expected of a non-medically oriented person. Not taking care of one's self, while a personal choice, shows a deplorable lack of concern, especially in light of all the information today on what's bad for us. You'd have to be a hermit or trapped in a hole in the ground to not know this info, so saying "I didn't know" doesn't cut it with me.

It IS your health, and it IS your tractor. Take care of it, don't take care of it, it's your choice. But knowing a little about routine maintenance, whether it's changing the oil in your mower, or brushing your teeth, is a responsibility of the owner of said mower, or said teeth, and when the engine burns up, or the teeth rot, it's frustrating from the point of view of the professional (MD or mechanic) that the owner didn't know or didn't care, but is unwilling to say "it was my fault".

I can go out and buy another tractor, if I had to, but I can't buy good health or a new body once I've mistreated it to the point of failure, and I can't go to the MD and complain to him that xxxxx has failed and I want it fixed, nor can I take my tractor to the mechanic and say what a POS this is because it failed due to something I should have known better about.

But I agree also that we shouldn't bash that person, we should just try to do what we can for them, and hopefully educate them a bit against the next time it happens.

BTW, I am also in the medical field, a Registered Nurse for 26 years, certified in Perioperative Nursing , Neurosurgery and Orthopedics. I guess that's why I like your analogy so well; it hits home every day.
 

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I'll be right over...............for some, uh...........'fishin'!
You frequent any fishing sites?

Fishin in your backyard? I catch and release most everything I catch. Not because I think it's "the right thing to do" but because I just do it and pretty much always have, even before it became 'the thing to do'. I will take some bass and crappie home to filet and even some trout(from the non catch and release areas)
 

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Dieselnut,

Hey, now I totally hear where you are coming from! I'm a short blond who shops in the kids department, so it can get interesting invading certain male bastions that smell of WD-40 and grease. But unlike you, I know the name of the part. It is a --

DOOHICKY!

(Unless it’s a thingamajig) .:hide:

Fishingly yours,

sheila

:ROF Ya gotta luv those technical terms !
 

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KHodges: I respect your profession and I don't know how you put up with some of us bonehead Dictators, uh I mean Doctors ;)
 

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KHodges: I respect your profession and I don't know how you put up with some of us bonehead Dictators, uh I mean Doctors ;)
I have a great deal of respect for yours, too. I work with an outstanding surgical staff. One of the neurosurgeons would be dear to Sheila's heart; whenever he asks for some specialty instrument during a spine case, he always asks for the "xxxx gizmo"
 

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Old timer - If you love the tech terms, you should hear the noises I make to mechanics describing what was happening before the need for the Doohickey - or Thingamajig. (Sorry for the first misspelling of doohickey)

Diesel nut - River's across the street - I want a little running room in case we get a fast snow melt w/rain. ;)

Most of the warm water fish I catch are released, unless mom needs something to bury under a new rose bush.

Take care all - gotta get back to my garden to be.

Sheila - the Fishwacker and new Cub owner
 
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