Diesel Fuel Storage revisited

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saskman49

Discussion Starter · Aug 18, 2009

I guess I am part lazy and also wanting a good solution so the wife can fuel the 2320 if she would ever need to as she cannot lift the 5 Gallon diesel cans up to fill the tractor and I am less than excited abt where the fuel cap is as well and have spilled my share of fuel over the tractor. So I bought a slip tank like the one in the included pic with a hand pump on it and hence the next question.. I have used approx 25 to 30 gallons of diesel since spring and will probably use another 15 to 20 till winter based on current trends, over winter the use could vary from 5 gallons to who knows due to weather trends. So the question is should I suck it up and continue using the 5 gallon cans or use the 100 Gallon slip tank. I am aware of the water thing but are there not additives for that issue and adding a filter at the outlet of the pump to ensure clean fuel gets to the tractor. Also assuming I were to go with the slip tank, should I wait till Oct and get winter blend or just fill the tank and add the proper additives to ensure it will survive in our climate (-30 or so for extended periods). Also can you fill a diesel storage tank to like 1/2 full and just keep topping it to that point (Cause it would be less than full most of the time anyway). That way I could use the loader to put the tank in the truck to take it to town and fill it to the required level as no fuel dealer would come to fill it as it would always be less than 100gal.

Thanks

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davidg

· #2 · Aug 18, 2009

don't have to worry abotu diesel gelling here, so i can't help with that part. i like the idea of a large tank myself, you never know when you will need fuel for an extended period of time, personally i would go with the tank and hand pump.

the other option would be to just fill the 2320 up yourself each time you used it. then it is always sitting there with a full tank. edit to add: this option may be better, cause if your wife is like mine the tractor would run out of fuel at the furthest point on the property from the tank! i swear she think E means enough.

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saskman49

Discussion Starter · #3 · Aug 18, 2009

I always top it up every time she has used it only because she can't lift the cans. She really likes being self sufficient and hates it that I have to fuel the tractor for her. Also sometimes it limits what she can do in a day as she can only go till she sees the fuel is getting low then has to wait till I get home.

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Norhernjake

· #4 · Aug 18, 2009

I would just put 20 gallons in it for now and locate it in a shady spot as this should reduce the condensation rather than having the sun beat down on it. Then put another 20 of winter blend in October. You can always add conditioner to the first 20 gallons if it was not used prior to "winter setting in".
I would definately want the filter as you suggested.

Jake

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Tractor-Holic

· #5 · Aug 18, 2009

Wix makes a nice water seperator/filter setup thats only about 35 bucks--it uses the same number filter as my 82 GMC does for the prinmary filter and it has the drain petcock on the bottom to drain any water out..it comes with a base for the spin on filter with 1/2" pipe threaded ports..(I'd give the part # but my Wix book is out in the garage!)...we used one on our bulk diesel tank at the junkyard for the forkloader and other diesel equipment (old buoy from the ocean converted to a fuel tank!)--it did a great job of keeping water out of the engines,and we drained plenty of it from the filter often,since the storage tank was rarely more than 1/4-1/2 full and was in the sun and shade about half the day each..

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saskman49

Discussion Starter · #6 · Aug 18, 2009

Bought this today for 39.99 Cdn. SHould do the job I hope.

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_350494_350494

x595

· #7 · Aug 18, 2009

saskman49 , I use and suggest for your storage , Power Service in the white bottle , fill your 100 gallon tank , add the additive per directions and forget about it IMO ...

Later,x595

Upper5Percent

· #8 · Aug 18, 2009

http://www.mytractorforum.com/showpost.php?p=544047&postcount=4

saskman49

Discussion Starter · #9 · Aug 19, 2009

Paul,

I understand your statement however around here I see my neighbors with 500+ gallon fuel stands and although their tractors and combines obviously use far more fuel than I their equipment sometimes sits for 8 or 10 months like the combines and sprayers. As well the fuel stands sit unused for probably 6 months of the year after harvest except for the possible top up of a tractor over the winter for snow removal duties. So I guess my issue is these people don't drain their tanks and for obvious reasons can't as they certanly cannot fill a Deere 9000 series tractor from a jerry can nor would they leave them empty.
I guess the smart money would say I should really ask my neighbor what he does.

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Loremaster72

· #10 · Aug 19, 2009

Looking at your tank, I'd guess you could probably add a desiccant breather cartridge. These keep moisture (and contaminates) out of the tank as it breathes. Here's a quick article I found on the topic:
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/article_detail.asp?articleid=816

These do add a maintenance point for your tank, as they don't last forever. I'm also not sure how expensive they are. For a low flow rate application like a small fuel tank, you won't need a large one, and shouldn't have to change it often. Just a thought...

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saskman49

Discussion Starter · #11 · Aug 20, 2009

Well, I decided to do the smart thing and do as the Romans do. I called my neighbor last night and discussed this issue with him and this is what I am going to get today.. Just have to buy it in a case as they are bulk dealers only. I will put the winter additive in later if I have any summer fuel left. He says all the farmers around us use this stuff. He bought an old white 45hp 3cylinder for yard use a couple years ago and when he got it it ran pretty rough with the exh always seeming wet. After a few tanks with this stuff it has smoothed out and burns much cleaner.

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Upper5Percent

· #12 · Aug 20, 2009

Thanks for the followup info...

Team_Green

· #13 · Sep 16, 2009

As for your tank storage I would put it in the shade if possible.. Also raise the front of the tank a couple inches. If the tank starts to rust inside you will pick up less of the rusty stuff as it will try to settle more to the low spot where your suction line is Not.

bucks farm

· #14 · Sep 28, 2009

x595 said:
saskman49 , I use and suggest for your storage , Power Service in the white bottle , fill your 100 gallon tank , add the additive per directions and forget about it IMO ...

Later,x595

I also use power service have put it in #2 heating oil and have been fine up here in vermont

x595

· #15 · Sep 29, 2009

bucks farm said:
I also use power service have put it in #2 heating oil and have been fine up here in vermont

I'm glad you brought that up , because I have often wondered about using Power Service in my Kerosene 5 Gal. containers , which is used in my Kerosene heater ... I don't think there would be an issue , what do you guys think ???

Later,x595

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KHodges

· #16 · Oct 1, 2009

Speaking of heating oil, seems like a storage tank for your tractor fuel wouldn't be any different than the tank for your furnace. I have mine with one end about 3-4 inches lower (above ground on a stand) and it has a drain there with a ball valve. If you were to get water in the tank from condensation, it will sink to the bottom and can be drained off from the low end of the tank.I usually fill my tank about this time of year, in preparation for winter, and by late spring is only about 1/4 full, if that (550 gal). I have a water separator filter on the line to the furnace, and it stops flow if it gets full of water or gunk. The only time I've had a problem with the furnace is if the filter clogs, better that than the injector in the furnace. I may get a cup or so of water in the tank over the course of the winter, drained out of the bottom of the tank.

I had never thought of using the Diesel service additive, I may give that a shot this winter. Maybe the cetane boost will keep me warmer. :biglaugh:

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saskman49

Discussion Starter · #17 · Oct 1, 2009

When I got to the Texas Refinery office and talked to a person that had bought computers from our store some years back he steered me to a product called DZL-PEP Artic. Seeing as how I was only going to use it for diesel and not gas he suggested this a better product. 1 liter of this stuff will treat 200 gallons of diesel to what they refer to a the platinum level. I am so far very happy with it.

Check their site http://www.texasrefinery.com/

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