[Glenn M]

Anyone looking for a 446 with almost everything. I saw this on a Michigan Craig's list.

http://saginaw.craigslist.org/bar/1277168001.html

 

[Caseguytoo]

Totally overpriced unit that just underwent an "Italian Tune-up" using a bunch of rattle cans to make it look pretty.

 

[Glenn M]

Sorry I posted it.

 

[SonnyT]

Don't be sorry, I like looking to see what all the attachments are for a given series of Tractors. I would like to live closer to see it in person.:thanku:

 

[Caseguytoo]

No... don't be sorry you posted and don't react negatively to what I wrote either. This site is all about getting an education on these tractors. Members need to see posts like that and to read opinions from others about what is on offer in such ads.

Thanks for posting the ad.

 

[Caseman2]

Totally overpriced unit that just underwent an "Italian Tune-up" using a bunch of rattle cans to make it look pretty.

Heyyy... I'm Italian... oh - er never mind I've used rattle cans too. :aetsch:

Actually, I have seen this and thought to myself "good luck to the owner getting the $2000"

 

[HemiMoparGuy]

Man, wish I had some cash available, I'd love to go snag that (obviously not for the asking price) its only about 20 min from me, and is about exactly what I am looking for...The only thing I'd want different is to be a 448 instead of 446

 

[Bart]

I'd say that is a nice package and the price is not too far off if everything is in good operating condition. Tractor/mower $700, hitch and PTO $400, blade $150, tiller $350, snowcaster $300, wheel weights $100 adds up to $2000. If he has side panels for the cab and a set of chains that would push it up further.

The fact that the PTO is not connected might allow someone to knock $100 off the price.

Well worth a trip to look it over if you want a package like that.

 

[HemiMoparGuy]

Hmm, one guys says WAY overpriced, another guy says its right on. Which to believe? Oh well doesn't matter, if the seller would take $500, I still couldn't come up with the cash to spend on another tractor right now

 

[Caseguytoo]

OK. I had it priced "as a package" at $1500.00 tops if the engine was ok but that's just one man's opinion. Your mileage may vary.

 

[HemiMoparGuy]

Ah, ok, not too far different then, could just be a lot of the difference is in the market area. Maybe I should try something sneaky to make the motor sound crappy, then try to get the implements for cheap and find some rust that makes it look like a hacked "restore" and try to get the package for $200...I can come up with that...hehe, a guy can dream can't he?

 

[Glenn M]

I myself didn't think it was all that bad of a deal either, that's why I posted it in the first place. My thought was, if you bought a new comparable tractor with the same attachments, how much $ would it cost you?

 

[Glenn M]

Hemi
He's also looking for trades, maybe you have something he wants.

 

[Bart]

CGT and I aren't really far apart on our thinking and being that we are both cheap neither of us would pay close to the asking price. On the other hand, if you are looking for a collection like the one offered and everything is in good shape then I wouldn't be discouraged from trying to work a deal with the seller because you could spend several years trying to piece together the same package and spend a lot of time in the process. If you have a need for these things you have to balance the value of your time against the prospect of maybe saving $500. Considering how many people walk into a big box store and drop $2000 for a piece of junk mower that will be worn out before it's paid for this package is a far better deal even at the asking price.

Many of us on the group are collectors who really don't need the 6, 10 or more tractors that we already own but we are always looking to snag a "too good to pass up" deal and it's the thrill of the hunt that keeps us looking. If I were 30 years younger and just acquired a property where I needed the equipment then I would have a far different perspective that might well cause me to walk into a dealer and buy all new stuff.

 

[HemiMoparGuy]

Yeah, I guess that has a great deal on influence as well. The perspective from you guys who don't need it vs mine for needing most of the equipment. Problem is, it won't do anything that I ACTUALLY need it for that my Bolens won't do. All I need a tractor for right now is to mow. The landlord plows the driveway (which I hate using a tractor for anyway), I don't have time for a garden to use the tiller, and I don't have anything to use the blade for either. I just REALLY want this tractor cuz someday hopefully relatively soon, I will need most of this...too bad the only things I have to trade are the Bolens and the ol' lady.

 

[Bart]

too bad the only things I have to trade are the Bolens and the ol' lady.

Post some photos and we'll see if we can help you with trade values.:sidelaugh

 

[HemiMoparGuy]

See signature...



Oh, you meant something a lil different? LOL

 

[Caseguytoo]

I myself didn't think it was all that bad of a deal either, that's why I posted it in the first place. My thought was, if you bought a new comparable tractor with the same attachments, how much $ would it cost you?

New would likely cost $15,000.00. As HMG said, sometimes values can be a regional thing. Bart and I understand that. Some brands bring big bux in one state but no one wants to touch them in another state. I'm pleased that you dropped back and read your thread. As you can see, it has sparked discussion which is what the forum is here for.

 

[RichardP]

Here is an example of how "suggested" value can change based on variables - below is a quote from the great Caseguytoo, in response to my first question about purchasing a similar (although newer) package:

A 446 or 448 have the same value because other than the measly 2 hp difference, they're the exact same tractor. Either one with a 48" deck and nothing else, are worth about $1200.00 to $1400.00 Canadian providing there is good engine compression, no engine smoke after initial warm-up and everything else is in first-class repair. If the seat is torn, then that isn't first-class repair. If the steering is in bad need of a new sector gear, rod ends, axle pivot and so forth, then that isn't first-class repair. First-class repair means you can take the tractor home and use it and all the implements without spending any money on repair parts.

Engine compression should be at least 90 pounds on each cylinder after you have started the tractor up and run it long enough for it to reach operating temperature. Shut it down, pull both plugs and take the readings one after the other.

A good used LOW HOUR tiller is worth $400.00. A good used SnoCaster is easily worth $350.00. For a sleeve hitch, add $100.00. For a three-point hitch, add $350.00 to $400.00. For the F-27 sleeve hitch adapter so the tiller will mount on the three-point, add $80.00. For the hydraulic PTO on the rear to power the tiller, add $150.00. For the wheel weights and tire chains, add $90.00 and $40.00 respectively.

Based on those numbers, the tractor with a sleeve hitch is worth about $2550.00 and with the three-point and F-27 it's worth very close to 3000 loonies. But again, all of this is based upon condition, condition, condition.

Now, this unit was newer, had the 3 point as opposed to the sleeve, and also canadian $$ so gives you an idea of the variation that can come up.

Glad you posted this, the discussion may help someone else like me.

 

[RestMyCase]

Glen, if you look at it that way, yes the entire package is a good deal considering what you would spend for all that on an inferior brand...